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Offline wilber

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1800 on: July 31, 2021, 08:43:11 pm »
spoken with the fake outrage fervour of a true anti-government rebel pirate... you're such a parody of that old salt with a peg-leg & an eye-patch! Arrrgh!

as Harper's key toady, Oakville Kenney couldn't get senate reform done when in cabinet... so instead, as Harper's anointedOne in Alberta, he continues this end-around attempt to circumvent that Supreme Court of Canada ruling. I'm shocked you have no problems with this very suspect, very partisan, very Conservative UCP influenced, "made-in-Alberta solution" - shocked I tells ya! I guess your zeal for transparency is rather selective, hey!

as an aside, I just heard the CPC leader O'Foole lie... purposely lie, in stating, (as the waldo paraphrases), "Trudeau's PMO had its hands all over this latest round of Senate appointments! Of course O'Foole was attempting to curry favour with partisan Albertan's already in the pocket of Kenney's UCP government.

the relatively new Advisory Board process nominating Senators for appointment is working very well - PM Trudeau has now appointed 57 Senators on the recommendation of the Advisory Board... putting the same challenge to you as I have to member wilber: do you have any concerns over the merit/qualifications of any of those 57 Senators appointed on the recommendation of the Advisory Board?

You have a real Kenny phobia, you should seek help.

We only have Trudeau's word for any of it because the whole process is secretive.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1801 on: July 31, 2021, 09:28:16 pm »
spoken with the fake outrage fervour of a true anti-government rebel pirate... you're such a parody of that old salt with a peg-leg & an eye-patch! Arrrgh!
Anti-government lol...that really underscores how I hit the nail on the head when I said you're unable to tell the difference between your party and everyone's government.

Government is humanity's only real hope that's why I'm so antithetical to the secrecy you champion - nothing destroys people's faith in government faster.


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as Harper's key toady, Oakville Kenney couldn't get senate reform done when in cabinet... so instead, as Harper's anointedOne in Alberta, he continues this end-around attempt to circumvent that Supreme Court of Canada ruling. I'm shocked you have no problems with this very suspect, very partisan, very Conservative UCP influenced, "made-in-Alberta solution" - shocked I tells ya! I guess your zeal for transparency is rather selective, hey!
No, it's universal as you know perfectly well. You always remind me of your old pal Shady, when he defends the secretiveness and dishonesty our governance is steeped in, he says I'm attacking free speech.

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as an aside, I just heard the CPC leader O'Foole lie... purposely lie, in stating, (as the waldo paraphrases), "Trudeau's PMO had its hands all over this latest round of Senate appointments! Of course O'Foole was attempting to curry favour with partisan Albertan's already in the pocket of Kenney's UCP government.

the relatively new Advisory Board process nominating Senators for appointment is working very well - PM Trudeau has now appointed 57 Senators on the recommendation of the Advisory Board... putting the same challenge to you as I have to member wilber: do you have any concerns over the merit/qualifications of any of those 57 Senators appointed on the recommendation of the Advisory Board?
No, I'm more concerned about the way you threw out the FOI in defence of secrecy. Like I said, it would be less insulting if you simply told your critics to ****-off.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1802 on: August 01, 2021, 12:12:02 am »
You have a real Kenny phobia, you should seek help.

We only have Trudeau's word for any of it because the whole process is secretive.

ya, ya... right back atcha' with your PM Trudeau phobia! And good on ya for playing out yet another of your conspiracies... your stated, "Trudeau's word for any of it"! - how special. Oh my, you're such a conspiracyHound, hey!

Government is humanity's only real hope that's why I'm so antithetical to the secrecy you champion - nothing destroys people's faith in government faster.
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No, I'm more concerned about the way you threw out the FOI in defence of secrecy. Like I said, it would be less insulting if you simply told your critics to ****-off.

c'mon guys, you keep beaking off about secrecy... notwithstanding member eyeball can't seem to focus - want's to paint lil' ole me with the broadest of brushes that has the waldo, as he states, "championing secrecy at large"! Let me once again remind you of that lil' ditty called the Privacy Act and how it applies to the Advisory Board and its process & deliberations, personal information, data, etc.. I guess your showboating... your grandstanding... clouds your understanding and respect for privacy, hey!

...see the Terms of Reference for the Advisory Board; in particular the Confidentiality section:

and member eyeball, now... in your latest posturing as a supposed champion of government, in Canada it's called Access To Information - your reference to FOI has you a champion of American government. /snicker

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« Reply #1803 on: August 01, 2021, 01:11:31 am »
Let me once again remind you of that lil' ditty called the Privacy Act and how it applies...
Privacy and secrecy are two different things Waldo - interesting how you conflate them the way you conflate  your party and our government.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1804 on: August 01, 2021, 08:58:52 am »
ya, ya... right back atcha' with your PM Trudeau phobia! And good on ya for playing out yet another of your conspiracies... your stated, "Trudeau's word for any of it"! - how special. Oh my, you're such a conspiracyHound, hey!

c'mon guys, you keep beaking off about secrecy... notwithstanding member eyeball can't seem to focus - want's to paint lil' ole me with the broadest of brushes that has the waldo, as he states, "championing secrecy at large"! Let me once again remind you of that lil' ditty called the Privacy Act and how it applies to the Advisory Board and its process & deliberations, personal information, data, etc.. I guess your showboating... your grandstanding... clouds your understanding and respect for privacy, hey!

and member eyeball, now... in your latest posturing as a supposed champion of government, in Canada it's called Access To Information - your reference to FOI has you a champion of American government. /snicker


Yes we do have to take Trudeau’s word for it because the whole process is a secret.

Privacy my ass. Giving a name is not divulging personal information or violating privacy. I guess waldo would like us to just vote for parties and fill in the winners names later.

If someone doesn’t want their name released they can decline the offer to be a candidate.
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« Reply #1805 on: August 01, 2021, 10:50:59 am »
c'mon guys, you keep beaking off about secrecy... notwithstanding member eyeball can't seem to focus - want's to paint lil' ole me with the broadest of brushes that has the waldo, as he states, "championing secrecy at large"! Let me once again remind you of that lil' ditty called the Privacy Act and how it applies to the Advisory Board and its process & deliberations, personal information, data, etc.. I guess your showboating... your grandstanding... clouds your understanding and respect for privacy, hey!

...see the Terms of Reference for the Advisory Board; in particular the Confidentiality section:

Privacy and secrecy are two different things Waldo - interesting how you conflate them the way you conflate  your party and our government.

not surprisingly, your response is weak - very weak! In this matter of the Advisory Board process, don't hesitate to attempt to delineate your actual self-serving and agenda driven conflation of (your presumed) secrecy and personal information that is protected under the Privacy Act... please proceed Governor!

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« Reply #1806 on: August 01, 2021, 10:57:58 am »
Privacy my ass. Giving a name is not divulging personal information or violating privacy.

If someone doesn’t want their name released they can decline the offer to be a candidate.

so... now you're backpedalling, hey! Now you just want names - oh my! Perhaps you could advise what the hell having a list of names would provide you - to me it suggests you are challenging the integrity of the Advisory Board... and the PCO that supports it. Wow - your conspiracy runs strong... runs deep, hey!

just from the Advisory Board's Spring 2018 cycle... geezaz member wilber, you could chew on 3232 names! What a maroon you are!

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The Advisory Board received 670 new applications during the Spring 2018 cycle. This is in addition to the 2,562 applicants who already had a valid application package on record. Therefore, a total of 3,232 applications were reviewed by the Advisory Board. The pool of applicants included a diverse slate of individuals with a wide breadth of backgrounds, skills, knowledge and experience.

Note: 180 individuals were nominated for a Senate appointment. Of this number, 60% submitted or had already submitted an application for consideration by the Advisory Board.


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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1808 on: August 01, 2021, 11:47:57 am »
Of the five  so called “BC” senators, not one was even born in BC.
You tried the same BS with one of the Advisory Board members... it didn't matter to you that the particular member had lived for 3 decades+ in Alberta, apparently you couldn't stomach that she was not born in Alberta! Again, so "old-stock" of you, hey!

oh my, member wilber! The waldo's crack research team advises that there is no requirement for persons running in the so-called Alberta "Senate election"... to actually be born in Alberta. Say what... this will never do, right wilber? LOL! The only attachment persons running must have is that they have lived in the Province of Alberta for a period of 6 months prior to the election. Waaaa! Just 6 months wilber! 6 months - oh my!

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1809 on: August 01, 2021, 12:27:20 pm »
oh my, member wilber! The waldo's crack research team advises that there is no requirement for persons running in the so-called Alberta "Senate election"... to actually be born in Alberta. Say what... this will never do, right wilber? LOL! The only attachment persons running must have is that they have lived in the Province of Alberta for a period of 6 months prior to the election. Waaaa! Just 6 months wilber! 6 months - oh my!

The terms of reference for this committee are all set by the government, not the courts. Naming candidates does not violate anyone's privacy as there is no obligation to be a candidate. I think the vast a majority of people would consider it an honour just to be considered.

Tell me waldo, if the candidates selected by the committee are so worthy, why does the public have no say in which one is selected? Why aren't they even allowed to know who was put up for selection? Why is it a secret decision made by the PM on his own? I'll tells ya why waldo, it is a way a PM can maintain control while avoiding responsibility. If his selection is a dud, he can always blame it on the committee.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1810 on: August 01, 2021, 12:42:12 pm »
... a way a PM can maintain control while avoiding responsibility. If his selection is a dud, he can always blame it on the committee.

again, same challenge you refuse to engage upon: there have now been 57 Senators appointed via the Advisory Board process - are there any... is there one - just one member wilber... that you have concerns with? The bios of every Senator are publicly available - do your best worst, hey!

clearly you know shyte about the Senate. Perhaps you could advise which group you claim PM Trudeau controls... particularly given he eliminated Liberal Party affiliation within the Senate - unlike the CPC Conservative Party that maintains a group of Conservative Senators that still caucus with CPC MPs. Which group below, hey member wilber - which group do you claim PM Trudeau is, as you say, "controlling"?


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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1811 on: August 01, 2021, 12:54:26 pm »
...why does the public have no say in which one is selected? Why aren't they even allowed to know who was put up for selection? Why is it a secret decision made by the PM on his own?

perhaps you should ask the rest of Canada that has no delusionOfAlbertaGrandeur... that recognizes the Supreme Court of Canada ruling concerning an elected Senate... that isn't attempting aMadeInAlberta end-around that SCOC ruling. Start there, hey! 

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1812 on: August 01, 2021, 06:08:02 pm »
perhaps you should ask the rest of Canada that has no delusionOfAlbertaGrandeur... that recognizes the Supreme Court of Canada ruling concerning an elected Senate... that isn't attempting aMadeInAlberta end-around that SCOC ruling. Start there, hey!

So your committee picks the candidates but you won't give the public any input into which one becomes a senator, you won't even let the public know who the candidates were. The PM has to have control. This has nothing to do with Alberta or your obsession with Kenny which is nothing more than a straw man.

You really would make us vote for parties and fill in the winners later if you could get away with it.

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1813 on: August 01, 2021, 06:19:05 pm »
So your committee picks the candidates but you won't give the public any input into which one becomes a senator, you won't even let the public know who the candidates were. The PM has to have control. This has nothing to do with Alberta or your obsession with Kenny which is nothing more than a straw man.

You really would make us vote for parties and fill in the winners later if you could get away with it.

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« Reply #1814 on: August 01, 2021, 07:12:19 pm »
So your committee picks the candidates but you won't give the public any input into which one becomes a senator, you won't even let the public know who the candidates were.

no - again, by design! The last thing Canada needs is yet another partisan chamber to stall out/end needed legislation - if you want that kind of failed "democracy", move to the U.S.!

by design! You're barkingMad at the intended design makeup that simply aligns with the Westminster system... HOC lower chamber represents the populace, as elected; the Senate upper chamber represents the regions, as appointed.

you scored an own-goal by admitting the new Advisory Board process is an improvement! Again, you can continue to whine/complain but the Privacy Act applies - whether you like it or not! Like I said, if you're so adamant that you just have to have "the names", put in an Access To Information request... and if you don't get the return you're after, toughTitties hey!

so when will you be moving to Alberta? Surely with such venom, such conviction, such showboating/grandstanding how can you stand to live in B.C. with those 5 appointed B.C. Senators? How are you surviving!