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=> you mean aside from the Advisory Board nominations arrived at following an open, arm’s length and merit-based nomination process

=> you mean aside from the Advisory Board being tasked with assessing identified nominees and/or direct applicants realized through either the Advisory Board working with provincial organizations to identify nominees for consideration or where qualified Canadians may apply directly for consideration

you mean aside from that, hey!

You mean the advisory board who’s members are selected by the PM? That advisory board?”

Why shouldn't they be selected by the PM? He is good enough to be Head of Government so why should he not have input into the selection process?

Why shouldn’t they be elected?  The voters are good enough to choose the House of Commons, so why not have input into their Senators?

Isn’t this a democracy?  Why should we be governed by appointees?

An elected Senate would make it more political and intrude on the authority of the Crown. It would be one more step towards creeping republicanism.

What’s wrong with a republic?  WHat makes a monarchy better than a democracy?

How would it be more political than party-appointed Senators?

Quote from: wilber on June 20, 2021, 02:08:06 pm

The PM still has complete control.

=> you mean aside from the Advisory Board nominations arrived at following an open, arm’s length and merit-based nomination process

=> you mean aside from the Advisory Board being tasked with assessing identified nominees and/or direct applicants realized through either the Advisory Board working with provincial organizations to identify nominees for consideration or where qualified Canadians may apply directly for consideration

you mean aside from that, hey!

You mean the advisory board who’s members are selected by the PM? That advisory board?”

no... that would be your self-serving, agenda driven, imagined Advisory Board! Reality has the Advisory Board members as Governor in Council appointments made pursuant to paragraph 127.1(1)(c) of the Public Service Employment Act as special advisers to the Prime Minister --- a Governor in Council ( GIC ) appointment is one made by the Governor General, on the advice of the Queen's Privy Council of Canada as supported by the Privy Council Office.

so... your ridiculous statement that, as you said, "the PM still has complete control"... that member wilber statement has been busted - big time!

What’s wrong with a republic?  WHat makes a monarchy better than a democracy?

How would it be more political than party-appointed Senators?

So you would rather be ruled by a President Trump or Putin? Lets say you are Prime Minister and you need someone like Professor Suzuki to be Minister of Science. While Dr. Suzuki is a brilliant mind, he probably could not get elected. Appoint him to the Senate and bob's your uncle, you have a highly qualified Minister of Science and Technology. We have have many eminent persons in the Senate. Eugene Forsey, Michael Pitfield, Murray Sinclair...and if I had had my coffee, I could probably come up with a 100 more. When you compare the members of the current Senate with the elected members of the Commons, you have to admit the Senators come out on top. They can review legislation without having to consider how it is going to affect their personal future instead of the merits. It is why we give faculty at universities tenure.

=> you mean aside from the Advisory Board nominations arrived at following an open, arm’s length and merit-based nomination process

=> you mean aside from the Advisory Board being tasked with assessing identified nominees and/or direct applicants realized through either the Advisory Board working with provincial organizations to identify nominees for consideration or where qualified Canadians may apply directly for consideration

you mean aside from that, hey!

no... that would be your self-serving, agenda driven, imagined Advisory Board! Reality has the Advisory Board members as Governor in Council appointments made pursuant to paragraph 127.1(1)(c) of the Public Service Employment Act as special advisers to the Prime Minister --- a Governor in Council ( GIC ) appointment is one made by the Governor General, on the advice of the Queen's Privy Council of Canada as supported by the Privy Council Office.

so... your ridiculous statement that, as you said, "the PM still has complete control"... that member wilber statement has been busted - big time!

Doesn’t matter, the PM chooses who sits on the board and can ignore any recommendations if they choose. Nothing is binding on the PM.

We don’t need to amend the constitution to change the way we select senators.

if the Alberta end-around is followed... but wait, that assumes the PM would accept (then appoint) the Alberta "elected" nominees. This being the same PM you perpetually vilify throughout this thread over, wait for it, "control measures". I guess you likee certain aspects of control - yes?

and again, NO OTHER PROVINCE has taken up your much vaunted Alberta model... have you explained why yet?

So you would rather be ruled by a President Trump or Putin? Lets say you are Prime Minister and you need someone like Professor Suzuki to be Minister of Science. While Dr. Suzuki is a brilliant mind, he probably could not get elected. Appoint him to the Senate and bob's your uncle, you have a highly qualified Minister of Science and Technology. We have have many eminent persons in the Senate. Eugene Forsey, Michael Pitfield, Murray Sinclair...and if I had had my coffee, I could probably come up with a 100 more. When you compare the members of the current Senate with the elected members of the Commons, you have to admit the Senators come out on top. They can review legislation without having to consider how it is going to affect their personal future instead of the merits. It is why we give faculty at universities tenure.

Putin?   LOL

Ok then.