Author Topic: Government Day-to-Day  (Read 53400 times)

0 Members and 6 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline wilber

  • Administrator
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9121
Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1695 on: June 19, 2021, 06:10:22 pm »
Waldo is quoting himself now. The fact remains that Quebec and Ontario can determine who be comes a Canadian senator regardless of what region or province they allegedly represent.
"Never trust a man without a single redeeming vice" WSC

Offline queenmandy85

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 145
Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1696 on: June 19, 2021, 08:09:21 pm »
Waldo is quoting himself now. The fact remains that Quebec and Ontario can determine who be comes a Canadian senator regardless of what region or province they allegedly represent.
...and who cares? Ontarians are no different than any other Canadians. A Senator's task is to examine legislation to ensure it is good legislation. Where a Member is from is not that important.
A friend will help you move. A good friend will help you move a body

Offline Squidward von Squidderson

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5630
Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1697 on: June 19, 2021, 11:04:07 pm »
...and who cares? Ontarians are no different than any other Canadians. A Senator's task is to examine legislation to ensure it is good legislation. Where a Member is from is not that important.

The Constitution specifies where they represent, so I guess it’s somewhat important ?
Dumb Dumb x 1 View List

Offline queenmandy85

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 145
Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1698 on: June 19, 2021, 11:10:27 pm »
The Constitution specifies where they represent, so I guess it’s somewhat important ?
And they are appointed from the Provinces they represent. What's the problem?
A friend will help you move. A good friend will help you move a body

Offline waldo

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8715
Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1699 on: June 20, 2021, 11:36:09 am »
The fact remains that Quebec and Ontario can determine who be comes a Canadian senator regardless of what region or province they allegedly represent.

no trolling one! The provinces of Quebec and Ontario, or any other province for that matter, do not nominate candidate Senators for appointment!

you continue to refuse to provide citation support for the factually inaccurate statements you made about the permanent members of the Advisory Board.

I do believe the waldo has now realized why you refuse to accept that one of the permanent members has a 3 decade+ attachment to Alberta... whether that's her high-school or post-secondary education in Alberta, or as the many times over councillor and mayor of Fort McMurray & region. But... oh my, she was born in Quebec - hence your above statement. By this most questionable member wilber "logic", where does that position the carpetbagging Premier Jason Kenney - born in Oakville, Ontario?

Offline wilber

  • Administrator
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9121
Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1700 on: June 20, 2021, 12:07:00 pm »
And they are appointed from the Provinces they represent. What's the problem?

They are not appointed by the provinces they allegedly represent. That's the problem.
"Never trust a man without a single redeeming vice" WSC
Disagree Disagree x 1 View List

Offline wilber

  • Administrator
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9121
Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1701 on: June 20, 2021, 12:11:45 pm »

If anything, there should be one federal member per region. This would still weigh in Quebec and Ontario's favour as they are the only two provinces that are regions on their own.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2021, 12:17:01 pm by wilber »
"Never trust a man without a single redeeming vice" WSC

Offline waldo

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8715
Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1702 on: June 20, 2021, 12:26:52 pm »
They are not appointed by the provinces they allegedly represent. That's the problem.

I provided you examples of 4 Senators appointed... as nominated by the Advisory Board. I asked if you had any concerns with those 4 (now) Senators... I further challenged you to look at the complete list of Advisory Board nominations (since its 2016 inception) and state any concerns you might have with those. You choose to ignore this ask/challenge in favour of your ridiculous hyperbole and conspiratorial nonsense implying bias exists.

you claim a "problem" yet, again, NO other provinces have taken up the "Alberta model"... so, apparently, there must be no problems for anyone other than Alberta's Kenney/UCP government - yes?

Offline wilber

  • Administrator
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9121
Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1703 on: June 20, 2021, 12:31:46 pm »
I provided you examples of 4 Senators appointed... as nominated by the Advisory Board. I asked if you had any concerns with those 4 (now) Senators... I further challenged you to look at the complete list of Advisory Board nominations (since its 2016 inception) and state any concerns you might have with those. You choose to ignore this ask/challenge in favour of your ridiculous hyperbole and conspiratorial nonsense implying bias exists.

you claim a "problem" yet, again, NO other provinces have taken up the "Alberta model"... so, apparently, there must be no problems for anyone other than Alberta's Kenney/UCP government - yes?

One more time. It doesn't matter who they are, the people they allegedly represent have no say in their selection.
"Never trust a man without a single redeeming vice" WSC

Offline waldo

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8715
Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1704 on: June 20, 2021, 12:44:19 pm »
One more time. It doesn't matter who they are, the people they allegedly represent have no say in their selection.

one more time - no official political party campaigning or nominating exists within the Alberta model... but, per history and results we see a most unofficial attachment of nominees to Conservative parties (again, Reform, PC, UCP). Effectively, the populace of Alberta has had no say in the past candidate nominations put forward. For all intents and purposes, the ballot boxes were stuffed with the names of persons with strong ties to Conservative parties. Apparently your kind of independent, non-partisan process! As you say, "allegedly representing" the full complement of the Alberta populace... uhhh, so long as that populace aligns with Conservative ideology - amirite?

Offline wilber

  • Administrator
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9121
Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1705 on: June 20, 2021, 01:34:38 pm »
one more time - no official political party campaigning or nominating exists within the Alberta model... but, per history and results we see a most unofficial attachment of nominees to Conservative parties (again, Reform, PC, UCP). Effectively, the populace of Alberta has had no say in the past candidate nominations put forward. For all intents and purposes, the ballot boxes were stuffed with the names of persons with strong ties to Conservative parties. Apparently your kind of independent, non-partisan process! As you say, "allegedly representing" the full complement of the Alberta populace... uhhh, so long as that populace aligns with Conservative ideology - amirite?

So what? All the members of the advisory committee are appointed by the GG on the recommendation of the PM, including the provincial members. In other words, the PM has total control over who is appointed to the committee and whether their recommendations are accepted. Spin it any way you want waldo, ultimately the PM has total control of the process.
"Never trust a man without a single redeeming vice" WSC

Offline waldo

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8715
Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1706 on: June 20, 2021, 02:02:04 pm »
Spin it any way you want waldo, ultimately the PM has total control of the process.

ya, see the Constitution! Your boy Harper wanted unconstitutional reforms - what happened there, hey!

one of the mandates given to the Advisory Board as a part of its review of candidates to be selected for nomination, 'by merit based criteria', is that the selections must not include any persons with political party association/attachment... which runs counter to the Alberta process - amirite?

well, of course, Alberta Premier Kenney is setting the divisive table... and a great photo of the described leading senate election candidate, Erika Barootes - her described, "happy place": again, former United Conservative Party (UCP) president... now serving as the President of the Conservative Party association in an Edmonton riding & as the Chief Financial Officer of the UCP association in another Edmonton riding - described as a close-ally of Premier Jason Kenney! What member wilber refers to as an independent candidate! Yeesh!


Offline wilber

  • Administrator
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9121
Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1707 on: June 20, 2021, 02:08:06 pm »
ya, see the Constitution! Your boy Harper wanted unconstitutional reforms - what happened there, hey!

one of the mandates given to the Advisory Board as a part of its review of candidates to be selected for nomination, 'by merit based criteria', is that the selections must not include any persons with political party association/attachment... which runs counter to the Alberta process - amirite?

The PM still has complete control.
"Never trust a man without a single redeeming vice" WSC

Offline waldo

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8715
Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1708 on: June 20, 2021, 04:33:47 pm »
The PM still has complete control.

=> you mean aside from the Advisory Board nominations arrived at following an open, arm’s length and merit-based nomination process

=> you mean aside from the Advisory Board being tasked with assessing identified nominees and/or direct applicants realized through either the Advisory Board working with provincial organizations to identify nominees for consideration or where qualified Canadians may apply directly for consideration

you mean aside from that, hey!

Offline Squidward von Squidderson

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5630
Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1709 on: June 20, 2021, 04:43:33 pm »
They are not appointed by the provinces they allegedly represent. That's the problem.

It’s federal….  They don’t need to be appointed by the provinces to represent provinces. 

I think it’s more important that they are democratically elected.
Dumb Dumb x 1 View List