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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1635 on: June 10, 2021, 10:00:58 pm »
Green MP Jenica Atwin crossing the floor to join the Liberals:



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Atwin, a former teacher and community organizer in Oromocto, N.B., said there were too many "distractions" in the Green Party and she wanted to work in a more "supportive and collaborative" environment


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« Reply #1636 on: June 10, 2021, 10:16:25 pm »
Anyone who leaves their party should sit as an independent until the next election then change parties.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1637 on: June 11, 2021, 08:28:09 am »
 
It was about internal disagreements over Israel.  Hard to believe they couldn't get 3 people on the same page...

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« Reply #1638 on: June 11, 2021, 01:13:32 pm »
The Greens really messed up on this one. Green took a strong Liberal riding from incumbent Matt DeCourcey because he did little to nothing for the city. Jenica is an infectious leader who impressed like few politicians ever had. She truly went around and talked to everyone and seemed genuinely interested in what they had to say and their issues. I voted for her in the last election and in spite of her party affiliation, I will vote for her again unless something dramatic changes my opinion of her.

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« Reply #1639 on: June 11, 2021, 03:31:41 pm »
This obsession from the Greens over the Middle East lost my vote, unless they can change track and concentrate their efforts on domestic issues again.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1640 on: June 11, 2021, 03:55:35 pm »
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"Atwin directly challenged Paul's position on the conflict, saying Paul's call for de-escalation and a return to dialogue between the two was "totally inadequate."

"I stand with Palestine and condemn the unthinkable airstrikes in Gaza. End Apartheid!" Atwin tweeted on May 11."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jenica-atwin-joining-the-liberals-1.6060501

What a silly reason to have this tension in a party.  Israel barely even cares what Canada's position on their airstrikes is, they'll do it anyways.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1641 on: June 12, 2021, 10:39:25 am »
Greenís new leadership is completely inadequate
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1642 on: June 16, 2021, 11:25:24 am »
timed in association with Alberta municipal elections to be held this fall, Alberta's UCP/Kenney brought in legislation to also allow Albertans to, once again, vote to nominate candidates for Senate appointment - currently there are 2 vacant Alberta Senate positions. To date, Alberta is the only province to hold elections to nominate candidates for Senate appointment (previous related legislation expired in 2016)... in total over time, Alberta has had 5 of it's elected/nominated Senators appointed - 1 by PM Mulroney & 4 by PM Harper.

of course, CPC/O'Toole has jumped on the opportunity to once again push for 'elected/nominated' Senators... vowing to appoint elected/nominated Alberta senators while encouraging other provinces to take up Alberta's lead and do the same. It appears the CPC/O'Toole are a tad hesitant to resurrect the failed Harper attempt/want to introduce an elected Senate to Canada; something that would require the agreement of seven provinces representing 50% of the population to implement an elected Senate:


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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1643 on: June 16, 2021, 11:36:39 am »
timed in association with Alberta municipal elections to be held this fall, Alberta's UCP/Kenney brought in legislation to also allow Albertans to, once again, vote to nominate candidates for Senate appointment - currently there are 2 vacant Alberta Senate positions. To date, Alberta is the only province to hold elections to nominate candidates for Senate appointment (previous related legislation expired in 2016)... in total over time, Alberta has had 5 of it's elected/nominated Senators appointed - 1 by PM Mulroney & 4 by PM Harper.

of course, CPC/O'Toole has jumped on the opportunity to once again push for 'elected/nominated' Senators... vowing to appoint elected/nominated Alberta senators while encouraging other provinces to take up Alberta's lead and do the same. It appears the CPC/O'Toole are a tad hesitant to resurrect the failed Harper attempt/want to introduce an elected Senate to Canada; something that would require the agreement of seven provinces representing 50% of the population to implement an elected Senate:

Do you disagree with choosing Senators based upon an election?  How is that a bad idea?

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1644 on: June 16, 2021, 11:42:20 am »
timed in association with Alberta municipal elections to be held this fall, Alberta's UCP/Kenney brought in legislation to also allow Albertans to, once again, vote to nominate candidates for Senate appointment - currently there are 2 vacant Alberta Senate positions. To date, Alberta is the only province to hold elections to nominate candidates for Senate appointment (previous related legislation expired in 2016)... in total over time, Alberta has had 5 of it's elected/nominated Senators appointed - 1 by PM Mulroney & 4 by PM Harper.

of course, CPC/O'Toole has jumped on the opportunity to once again push for 'elected/nominated' Senators... vowing to appoint elected/nominated Alberta senators while encouraging other provinces to take up Alberta's lead and do the same. It appears the CPC/O'Toole are a tad hesitant to resurrect the failed Harper attempt/want to introduce an elected Senate to Canada; something that would require the agreement of seven provinces representing 50% of the population to implement an elected Senate:



Why do you have a problem with provinces choosing the way their senators are appointed?
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1645 on: June 16, 2021, 01:02:52 pm »
Do you disagree with choosing Senators based upon an election?  How is that a bad idea?
Why do you have a problem with provinces choosing the way their senators are appointed?

guys, guys... even before the waldo might choose to engage on the pro's vs. con's of an elected Senate, youse guys are 'out of touch'... you're jumping ahead of just one of the fundamental issues that must still be resolved. As it stands, this "Alberta only approach" is one still subject to constitutional reckoning. For both sides that question the legitimacy of provinces holding candidate elections/nominations for Senate appointment, each side holds to existing constitutional amending formulas that they respectfully interpret to either allow, or alternatively, disallow these provincial "aspirations". Ultimately, as has occurred in regard other Senate reform attempts, it is expected the Supreme Court of Canada will need to review/rule. But why would any of this get in the way of Conservative Prime Ministers (Mulroney & Harper) hell-bent on appointing candidates nominated by the province of Alberta?

obviously when Harper's attempts to first abolish the Senate... then reform the Senate... went nowhere, this Alberta "end-around" is simply another means to attempt to, without constitutional review on its legitimacy, introduce a path towards an elected Senate.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1646 on: June 16, 2021, 02:55:04 pm »
guys, guys... even before the waldo might choose to engage on the pro's vs. con's of an elected Senate, youse guys are 'out of touch'... you're jumping ahead of just one of the fundamental issues that must still be resolved. As it stands, this "Alberta only approach" is one still subject to constitutional reckoning. For both sides that question the legitimacy of provinces holding candidate elections/nominations for Senate appointment, each side holds to existing constitutional amending formulas that they respectfully interpret to either allow, or alternatively, disallow these provincial "aspirations". Ultimately, as has occurred in regard other Senate reform attempts, it is expected the Supreme Court of Canada will need to review/rule. But why would any of this get in the way of Conservative Prime Ministers (Mulroney & Harper) hell-bent on appointing candidates nominated by the province of Alberta?

obviously when Harper's attempts to first abolish the Senate... then reform the Senate... went nowhere, this Alberta "end-around" is simply another means to attempt to, without constitutional review on its legitimacy, introduce a path towards an elected Senate.

There is absolutely nothing that says the provinces can't request senators of their choice, selected by the method of their choice. Any federal government which rejects those requests wants nothing other than to use the Senate as its own tool.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1647 on: June 16, 2021, 07:19:28 pm »
There is absolutely nothing that says the provinces can't request senators of their choice, selected by the method of their choice. Any federal government which rejects those requests wants nothing other than to use the Senate as its own tool.

=> so confident you are! Wait now waldo, isn't a fundamental aspect of being a Senator one that presumes upon a Senator being an independent decision maker... cause, like, uhhh... elections challenge that fundamental premise as an election would link an elected/nominated Senator to a "constituency"; one making said Senator an accountable representative.

=> c'mon member wilber, given your so confident claim, given those reform proposals of the 80s/90s & given the more recent Harper Conservative failed/stalled forays into Senate reform, why have no other provinces taken up this Alberta lead? Things that make one go... hmmmmm, hey!

=> waddbout the relatively recent introduced 'independent Senate appointments process'? Assuming you're even aware of it, what's your concern(s) with it... what's your beef with it man? Why is your boy O'Foole and the CPC so against it?

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1648 on: June 16, 2021, 07:39:48 pm »
=> so confident you are! Wait now waldo, isn't a fundamental aspect of being a Senator one that presumes upon a Senator being an independent decision maker... cause, like, uhhh... elections challenge that fundamental premise as an election would link an elected/nominated Senator to a "constituency"; one making said Senator an accountable representative.

=> c'mon member wilber, given your so confident claim, given those reform proposals of the 80s/90s & given the more recent Harper Conservative failed/stalled forays into Senate reform, why have no other provinces taken up this Alberta lead? Things that make one go... hmmmmm, hey!

=> waddbout the relatively recent introduced 'independent Senate appointments process'? Assuming you're even aware of it, what's your concern(s) with it... what's your beef with it man? Why is your boy O'Foole and the CPC so against it?

Ya waldo, political appointments are sure to be more independent than elected representatives. Why do we bother with elections at all. Liberals aren't interested in Senate reform, they prefer the present patronage system.

What about the "independent Senate appointments process" ? Only two of the five members will actually be from the area concerned and their recommendation is not binding on the PM. And of course it is a process cooked up by the present government without the provinces signing off on it. Lot of window dressing here. Anything but leaving it to voters.

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1649 on: June 16, 2021, 11:25:18 pm »
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=> c'mon member wilber, given your so confident claim, given those reform proposals of the 80s/90s & given the more recent Harper Conservative failed/stalled forays into Senate reform, why have no other provinces taken up this Alberta lead? Things that make one go... hmmmmm, hey!

still waiting member wilber; still waiting!