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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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« Reply #1620 on: June 02, 2021, 09:30:23 pm »
Please tell us how you would enforce this.  Lie detectors?

Enforce this?  THEY ALL NEED TO DIEEEEEE
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« Reply #1621 on: June 02, 2021, 09:31:25 pm »
Enforce this?  THEY ALL NEED TO DIEEEEEE

Ok then. Great conversation.  Clueless as per usual.
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« Reply #1622 on: June 02, 2021, 09:38:13 pm »
Ok then. Great conversation.  Clueless as per usual.

You hurt my feelings my feelings just DIIIEEED.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1623 on: June 07, 2021, 11:09:15 am »
Justice Minister David Lametti...


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« Reply #1624 on: June 07, 2021, 12:30:36 pm »
=> as a backdrop reference, the 2007 settlement:
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The court-approved compensation scheme arose out of a comprehensive class-action settlement in 2007 involving survivors, the federal government and churches that ran the schools. The Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement included a Common Experience Payment for all students who attended the schools, a five-year endowment for the Aboriginal Healing Foundation, and the Independent Assessment Process (IAP) to adjudicate claims from students who had suffered abuse at the schools.

Under the IAP, claimants were entitled to up to $275,000 each, based on the nature and level of abuse suffered.

In all 38,276 claims were received, with Saskatchewan having the most claimants. Adjudicators awarded $2.14 billion in compensation to 23,431 claimants while another 4,415 claimants received compensation directly from the federal government.

Overall, the Harper Conservative government paid out $3.23 billion in compensation and other costs. The process itself cost another $411 million.

which brings us to a 2016 Canadian Human Rights Tribunal ruling ordering the federal government to pay $40,000 each to some 50,000 First Nations children separated from their families by a chronically underfunded child-welfare system - $2 billion dollars! ... a ruling the federal government is currently appealing before the Federal Court of Appeal.



c'mon waldo, surely the NDP wouldn't attempt to fund raise over this issue - surely not! So it is such interesting timing that has Jugmeet ramping it up this past week... with the ever coalescing Charlie Angus running in lock-step! To be expected, the NDP has been getting no critical review/questioning from mainstream journalists... well except for, it seems, back in March when  the ever diligent and (typically) on point Dale Smith wrote an article that appeared at the Canadian Bar Association --- The wrong precedent - Should the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal be able to grant individual remedies for systemic discrimination against on-reserve First Nations children?

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Ottawa is arguing that it cannot, as it appeals a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal order to compensate First Nations children and caregivers for the inadequacies of the child and family services provided to them. The CHRT ruled in 2016 that the federal government discriminated against First Nations children by underfunding on-reserve child welfare services. In 2019, the tribunal awarded up to $40,000 to children who had been made wards of the state. The government says it is not opposed to compensation per se, and is actively negotiating a solution – only that the CHRT exceeded its statutory authority in making the orders that it did.

"Canada does not dispute that its child and family services funding system was broken and needed immediate and substantial reform," the government's factum to the Federal Court reads. "The issue here is whether the children should receive compensation in a Tribunal proceeding that focused on systemic discrimination, rather than in a class action in this Court where the rules better protect the interests of victims."

The government contends that no individuals were party to the litigation, and furthermore, the CHRT's decision defined the definition of "First Nations child" as including those who did not live on reserves and did not have Indian Act status, which they say is an issue of identity that First Nations themselves have not yet decided.

University of Ottawa law professor Paul Daly agrees that the government is right to have concerns that the CHRT doesn't have a roving commission of inquiry to remedy problems as it sees fit.

"What the government is saying is that [the CHRT] has to act within the procedures it has set for itself, and if it's dealing with a systemic discrimination claim, it can't turn around then and use that as a platform for giving remedies to individuals," says Daly.

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1625 on: June 07, 2021, 01:50:10 pm »
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What the government is saying is that [the CHRT] has to act within the procedures it has set for itself
That's pretty rich coming from a government that chronically and serially avoids procedures it sets for itself. Take its need for implementation plans for action plans and reviews of reviews of sexual abuse in the military for example.

I note the government says it isn't opposed to compensation but it just can't seem to get around to it at the moment. It can always top up the $40,000 later, at its leisure of course.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1626 on: June 07, 2021, 02:40:31 pm »
The NDP shouldn't be politically weaponizing pictures of indigenous children for its own gain, even if it thinks it has a point.  Like c'mon that's a bit much.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1627 on: June 07, 2021, 07:30:39 pm »
The NDP shouldn't be politically weaponizing pictures of indigenous children for its own gain, even if it thinks it has a point.  Like c'mon that's a bit much.
Says who? Everyone that is opposed to the status quo of institutional systemic inaction and dysfunction should weaponize anything and everything that rubs the governments nose in this ****.

I regard it as a duty. You'll just never be able to get your head around the fact we're actually fighting for something will you?

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1628 on: June 07, 2021, 09:05:50 pm »
Says who? Everyone that is opposed to the status quo of institutional systemic inaction and dysfunction should weaponize anything and everything that rubs the governments nose in this ****.

I regard it as a duty. You'll just never be able to get your head around the fact we're actually fighting for something will you?

Says me.

I want justice for indigenous people too.  A party flipping up photos of indigenous children to score political points in the run up to an election season is bad taste.  Do you really think this Liberal government is trying to screw over native children?

I just don't like children being used as sympathy pawns for some cause, no matter what it is.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1629 on: June 07, 2021, 10:55:44 pm »
Adults need to fight their own battles.
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« Reply #1630 on: June 08, 2021, 09:26:29 am »
Do you really think this Liberal government is trying to screw over native children?
No I think its trying to do what every other government in the past has done which is speak in defence of the institution that screwed them over.

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I just don't like children being used as sympathy pawns for some cause, no matter what it is.
It sucks alright.

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1631 on: June 09, 2021, 02:07:28 pm »
I note the government says it isn't opposed to compensation but it just can't seem to get around to it at the moment. It can always top up the $40,000 later, at its leisure of course.

perhaps you're unaware of ongoing negotiations. As the waldo understands, First Nation negotiators are particularly focused on:
=> the fairness of compensation. As the CHRT ruling provides, there is no qualification to award compensation based on the severity of the absence of on-reserve child welfare services... on the respective degree of the inadequacies of the child and family services provided
=> their own determination of what defines a "First Nations child"... that the CHRT's ruling defined the definition of "First Nations child" as including those who did not live on reserves and did not have Indian Act status

the article I linked to speaks to the issue of a class action lawsuit (presumed to better protect the interests of applicable "First Nations children"), versus the federal government's position challenging the statutory authority of the CHRT itself.

it's too bad you chose to deflect/bluster rather than address the particulars within my post.

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1632 on: June 09, 2021, 02:16:18 pm »
The NDP shouldn't be politically weaponizing pictures of indigenous children for its own gain, even if it thinks it has a point.  Like c'mon that's a bit much.

with NDP Singh, ad nauseam, falsely stating the federal government is taking Indigenous children to court... over and over and over again, NDP Singh knowingly flogging this misinformation lie to media persons/outlets without receiving any media scrutiny/questioning of his claim! While also actively fundraising off this bullshyte NDP play!

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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1633 on: June 10, 2021, 11:13:07 am »
perhaps you're unaware of ongoing negotiations. As the waldo understands, First Nation negotiators are particularly focused on:
=> the fairness of compensation. As the CHRT ruling provides, there is no qualification to award compensation based on the severity of the absence of on-reserve child welfare services... on the respective degree of the inadequacies of the child and family services provided
=> their own determination of what defines a "First Nations child"... that the CHRT's ruling defined the definition of "First Nations child" as including those who did not live on reserves and did not have Indian Act status

the article I linked to speaks to the issue of a class action lawsuit (presumed to better protect the interests of applicable "First Nations children"), versus the federal government's position challenging the statutory authority of the CHRT itself.

it's too bad you chose to deflect/bluster rather than address the particulars within my post.

as just announced... with, again, reference to a class action lawsuit, a settlement reached on residential school day scholars - as pertains to students who attended residential schools by day but went home at night... who were not included in the following described 2007 Harper Conservatives settlement agreement:

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The court-approved compensation scheme arose out of a comprehensive class-action settlement in 2007 involving survivors, the federal government and churches that ran the schools. The Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement included a Common Experience Payment for all students who attended the schools, a five-year endowment for the Aboriginal Healing Foundation, and the Independent Assessment Process (IAP) to adjudicate claims from students who had suffered abuse at the schools.

Under the IAP, claimants were entitled to up to $275,000 each, based on the nature and level of abuse suffered.

In all 38,276 claims were received, with Saskatchewan having the most claimants. Adjudicators awarded $2.14 billion in compensation to 23,431 claimants while another 4,415 claimants received compensation directly from the federal government.

Overall, the Harper Conservative government paid out $3.23 billion in compensation and other costs. The process itself cost another $411 million.

Crown-Indigenous Relations Minister Carolyn Bennett said the settlement will see survivors receive compensation of $10,000 each... to address additional harms suffered by the students at the school, Ottawa will also invest $50 million into a Day Scholars Revitalization Fund.
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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1634 on: June 10, 2021, 09:43:54 pm »
it's too bad you chose to deflect/bluster rather than address the particulars within my post.
None of which changes the fact that Liberals are a bunch of dog seducers.