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Re: Government Day-to-Day
« Reply #1485 on: December 23, 2020, 06:45:31 pm »
Yes.  State owned vs private company are very different.  I don’t think we should be giving Canadian tax dollars to the Chinese government.  Especially after what they’ve caused.

That's a tough one.  One of the main goals of the wage subsidy was to keep Canadians employed instead of Canadians going unemployed and then getting the CERB for doing nothing.  China could have laid them off and then we'd be paying the workers the CERB.
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« Reply #1486 on: December 23, 2020, 07:14:02 pm »
That's a tough one.  One of the main goals of the wage subsidy was to keep Canadians employed instead of Canadians going unemployed and then getting the CERB for doing nothing.  China could have laid them off and then we'd be paying the workers the CERB.
True.  But I’d rather give Canadians the money directly.

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« Reply #1487 on: December 23, 2020, 07:31:08 pm »
That isn’t the issue at hand.  Stop shifting the subject.  It’s about Canadian tax money going to the Chinese government.  It’s not enough that they’ve cost us trillions economically as well as tens of thousands of lives.  But hey!  Let’s give’em money too!  JFC what’s wrong with you people?
Why just this issue now though? We should have stopped trading with China decades ago, of course back then you would have been calling anyone who suggested doing that a commie.

You're virtually always full of **** no matter what the issue du jour.
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« Reply #1488 on: December 23, 2020, 07:48:52 pm »
That isn’t the issue at hand.  Stop shifting the subject. 

It's a part of the subject, as the gov't probably can't pick and choose who to give the subsidy to based on where the company is from...   can they?  Probably not a realistic way to do so, I wouldn't think.

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It’s about Canadian tax money going to the Chinese government.

Is it going to the Chinese gov't?  I don't think that's been established.  It's going to subsidize Canadian wages...  that much is true.

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JFC what’s wrong with you people?

I never said that they should get it.  You're blowing a gasket over something I didn't say.
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« Reply #1489 on: December 23, 2020, 10:56:34 pm »
True.  But I’d rather give Canadians the money directly.

So you’re good with CERB now?
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« Reply #1490 on: December 24, 2020, 09:01:05 am »
Why just this issue now though? We should have stopped trading with China decades ago, of course back then you would have been calling anyone who suggested doing that a commie.

You're virtually always full of **** no matter what the issue du jour.
I'm not sure what you mean.  How am I full of ****?  I'm completely serious.  Stopping trade with China decades are is lunacy.  You're a lunatic.  But surely a pandemic caused by them, inflicting tens of thousands of Canadians dead and trillions in economic damage is a good reason to distribute stimulus more selectively, isn't it?

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« Reply #1491 on: December 24, 2020, 09:02:41 am »
It's a part of the subject, as the gov't probably can't pick and choose who to give the subsidy to based on where the company is from...   can they?  Probably not a realistic way to do so, I wouldn't think.

Is it going to the Chinese gov't?  I don't think that's been established.  It's going to subsidize Canadian wages...  that much is true.

I never said that they should get it.  You're blowing a gasket over something I didn't say.
Sure they can.  They could change the law.  Barring an state owned company, China or otherwise from receiving direct tax money.  There are a number of ways of doing it.  Why are you carrying water for China?
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« Reply #1492 on: December 24, 2020, 09:02:57 am »
So you’re good with CERB now?
When was I not?  You gonna stop carrying water for China now?
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« Reply #1493 on: December 24, 2020, 11:02:13 am »
More fallout from Trudeau's ill-conceived bailout plan.

Chinese state-owned companies among recipients of Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy

Air China, a subsidiary of the state-owned China National Aviation Holdings, received wage subsidies. Air China experienced a substantial revenue drop in the first half of 2020, making them eligible for the CEWS.

member Shady, do you have any information to suggest the CEWS monies were not used as intended... as a percentage subsidy of the related Canadian employees' pay? Or are you just a mad barkerHound?

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« Reply #1494 on: December 24, 2020, 11:33:09 am »
I'm not sure what you mean.  How am I full of ****? 
Inconsistency...your most consistent aspect.

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I'm completely serious.  Stopping trade with China decades are is lunacy.
Trillions have been spent fighting communist tyranny. Trading with it only makes it stronger. Which side are you on anyway?

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You're a lunatic.  But surely a pandemic caused by them, inflicting tens of thousands of Canadians dead and trillions in economic damage is a good reason to distribute stimulus more selectively, isn't it?
Trade more selectively you mean. You can't get away with these stupid little twists you use to turn an issue into something it isn't. You seem to think no one is aware of what you're doing. Do you actually imagine you're being clever or something?

Further to that stop blurring the line between China's people 'them' as you spin it and China's government. We have every reason to focus on what Jinping's crime has caused and I think halting trade with China will compel China's people to focus on him as well. The governed are not the problem here, government is. China's people are the solution and trade is preventing them from doing what needs to be done.
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« Reply #1495 on: December 24, 2020, 12:26:06 pm »
Inconsistency...your most consistent aspect.
Trillions have been spent fighting communist tyranny. Trading with it only makes it stronger. Which side are you on anyway?
Complete nonsense.  When the circumstances change, then my opinion may change as well.  That's called being an adult as oppose to a zealot.  So I assume you support a trade embargo on other countries as well?  How about Cuba? 

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« Reply #1496 on: December 24, 2020, 01:28:08 pm »
Complete nonsense.  When the circumstances change, then my opinion may change as well.
Which is as often as diapers in your case. The reasons for embargoes against China's dictatorship haven't changed since Tienanmen in fact they've only increased in both number and urgency.   

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So I assume you support a trade embargo on other countries as well?  How about Cuba?
You assume...****-off Shady, you know damn well my opinion is always consistent when it comes to wheeling and dealing with dictatorships.

Is it safe to assume you have no idea what any of this means?

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« Reply #1497 on: December 24, 2020, 02:05:20 pm »
Which is as often as diapers in your case. The reasons for embargoes against China's dictatorship haven't changed since Tienanmen in fact they've only increased in both number and urgency.   
You assume...****-off Shady, you know damn well my opinion is always consistent when it comes to wheeling and dealing with dictatorships.

Is it safe to assume you have no idea what any of this means?
No, actually I have no idea.  Are you calling for an embargo against Cuba?  Are you a proponent of that?

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« Reply #1498 on: December 24, 2020, 03:06:05 pm »
No, actually I have no idea.  Are you calling for an embargo against Cuba?  Are you a proponent of that?
Cuba is a dictatorship Shady so why would you even have to ask that? What channel are you trying to tune into now?
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« Reply #1499 on: December 24, 2020, 03:14:01 pm »
Cuba is a dictatorship Shady so why would you even have to ask that? What channel are you trying to tune into now?
Just wondering.  I respect your consistency.