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Offline Boges

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FN man with long rap sheet acquitted of Murder
« on: November 28, 2019, 08:27:21 am »
I would hope this kind of ruling would engage anyone and everyone.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/hamilton-dale-king-verdict-1.5375591

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A jury has found Dale King not guilty of second-degree murder in the shooting death of Good Samaritan Yosif Al-Hasnawi.

King, 21, shot the 19-year-old Brock University student once in the abdomen on Dec. 2, 2017. Al-Hasnawi was standing outside a Main Street East mosque and shouted at King and his friend James Matheson for bothering an older man.

King was charged with second-degree murder, but said he shot Al-Hasnawi in self defence. The jury had the option of finding King guilty or not guilty of second-degree murder, or guilty of manslaughter. King broke down in tears when the verdict was read.

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King has a lengthy criminal record, including five convictions for assault, including assault with a weapon and assault causing bodily harm. Justice Andrew Goodman ruled to exclude the assault convictions from what the jury heard.

King is Indigenous, Goodman said, and Indigenous people are overrepresented in the criminal justice system. King is also a former foster child whose family history includes alcoholism and abuse.

The Crown lawyers were Brian Adsett and Gordon Akilie.

Hamilton police's Bereziuk said early in the case that Al-Hasnawi was a good person who was trying to help someone else. He said Wednesday he still believes that.

This sets a precedent that a FN person is immune to being held accountable in the Criminal Justice system.

A defence is used that this was an isolated incident, but evidence that contradicts that statement can't be presented. The defendant essentially lied.

This ruling better be appealed all the way to the Supreme Count.

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Re: FN man with long rap sheet acquitted of Murder
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2019, 08:56:12 am »
Engaged or enraged ?

Weird article - so much missing.  So they didn't read his past convictions (and that happens a lot) but because he's native ?  And he was acquitted based on ... what then ?  He still killed someone.

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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2019, 09:15:34 am »
Yeah it speaks to the CBC and how they cover FN. They buried the lead that his past convictions were ruled Inadmissible.

A defence of self defence and that he's not a violent person was used. Also the fact that he's FN so he's had a troubled life.

Here's an article from the Sun. Now that comes from a different political perspective.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/hunter-justice-eludes-hamilton-good-samaritan-shooting-victim

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“The exclusion of so many prior assault convictions does appear to distort the reality of the accused, particularly once he testifies and implies that he was not capable of such a heinous act.”

MacGregor added: “It’s easy to see how the Crown’s comments about being shackled have some truth to them, and they have a strong argument requesting to readdress his prior bad conduct. Without that opportunity, it falsely leaves the impression that he has virtually no history of prior violent activity and may simply be an innocent inexperienced participant.”

The court heard that King’s life has been the usual litany of woe for people charged with murder.

Abused, moved around Ontario and removed from his home as a toddler, the terrible club he grew up in is shared by far too many unloved kids.

Most don’t pick up a gun.

With the Crown’s hands tied, King was portrayed as something other than an accused killer with a violent criminal record.

So basically the fact that he's FN can be used as a justification of this murder and can also be used to shield him from any evidence that he's a repeat offender.


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Re: FN man with long rap sheet acquitted of Murder
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2019, 09:27:55 am »
Prior convictions are not relevant to whether a person committed a crime.  They have to convict based on evidence.  That’s not unusual. 

I guess the evidence wasn’t strong enough to convince a jury.

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Re: FN man with long rap sheet acquitted of Murder
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2019, 09:36:21 am »
So the lesson is if you see some FN punk beating the snot out of an old lady, don’t interfere.  If you get shot, it’s your own fault.

What amazes me is they wouldn’t even convict for manslaughter even though he used a concealed restricted weapon that is illegal to carry and he had no permit to even own.

Hollow point ammunition as well, designed to do maximum damage.
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Re: FN man with long rap sheet acquitted of Murder
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2019, 09:42:13 am »
A narrative can always be created that a FN person is always the victim, even when a guy tries to get him to stop harassing an old man.

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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2019, 10:23:38 am »
I don't know what the lesson is as I have no clue as to why the jury didn't convict him.   You guys are assuming it is due  to his being indigenous.  How do you know this?
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Re: FN man with long rap sheet acquitted of Murder
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2019, 10:42:22 am »
Prior convictions are not relevant to whether a person committed a crime.  They have to convict based on evidence.  That’s not unusual. 

I guess the evidence wasn’t strong enough to convince a jury.

True.  He either did the crime or not.

As for the OP, I don't think your upbringing should have much bearing on your sentencing.  Everyone has a sob story, especially if you're into criminal activity.  People raised properly very often aren't going around committing theft and assaulting/shooting people etc.  Most people who get into trouble with the law have some kind of problem in their upbringing or have mental/emotion issues.

This guy needs a really good therapist and a mentor to help get his life and behaviour straight.  If that happens in jail or outside jail is up to the courts and the evidence.
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Re: FN man with long rap sheet acquitted of Murder
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2019, 10:42:50 am »
I don't know what the lesson is as I have no clue as to why the jury didn't convict him.   You guys are assuming it is due  to his being indigenous.  How do you know this?

His being used as FN was used as a defence.

And he also used the defence that this was out of character from him, which is patently untrue based on his rap sheet.

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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2019, 10:44:10 am »
True.  He either did the crime or not.

He did do the crime. That's not in question. He claimed self defence though.

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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2019, 11:00:57 am »
His being used as FN was used as a defence.

And he also used the defence that this was out of character from him, which is patently untrue based on his rap sheet.

Your upbringing should have nothing to do with whether you did a crime or not.  It should not be a defense.  Maybe there can be some small consideration when sentencing comes down, but even then as i said everyone has a SOB story.  Aboriginals are disproportionately represented in prisons the same reason why african-americans are:  they commit more crimes.

Why do they commit more crimes?  Because they're very poor, their parents/families are trashy, they weren't raised properly, and they have all sorts of emotional issues from being raised in crappy environments.  We as a society need to address that big-time, we need to help these people big-time, but we shouldn't let them get away with crimes or treat them with kid gloves.

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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2019, 11:36:41 am »
Too much noise on this thread.

Of course Defenders gonna Defend.  Don't be outraged with what they say.  Someone else posted that prior convictions are normally eliminated from the trial.

So what do we have left ?  This was a trial where the guy claimed self defense.

How did he win ??

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2019, 11:46:32 am »
Too much noise on this thread.

Of course Defenders gonna Defend.  Don't be outraged with what they say.  Someone else posted that prior convictions are normally eliminated from the trial.

So what do we have left ?  This was a trial where the guy claimed self defense.

How did he win ??

I reckon because he was portrayed as a victim that shouldn't be expected to act like normos do.

There is scant media coverage on the details of how this case was won.

But logic would state that if you claim this act was out-of-character, past convictions should be able to be used to refute. Otherwise it really is a case of FN people being immune to being help accountable for criminal actions.


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Re: FN man with long rap sheet acquitted of Murder
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2019, 11:47:49 am »
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Dale King had been convicted of assault five times, including assault with a weapon and assault causing bodily harm.

So who will he kill next and will he get a get out of jail free card on that one as well?

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Re: FN man with long rap sheet acquitted of Murder
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2019, 11:59:21 am »

The self-defense claim is this:
https://www.chch.com/dale-king-found-not-guilty-of-second-degree-murder/
"King has told the court it was self defence because he thought Al-Hasnawi had a knife and was going to stab his friend."