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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #885 on: October 24, 2019, 01:56:32 pm »
Just curious -

Do you guys always vote for the same party in each election or do you look at the platforms of each and vote then vote for the one you think is best?

I wonder because so many here in Alberta vote Conservative, no matter what they do or say or accomplish.  I know so many that don't even really pay attention to what's going on - then vote Conservative.
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« Reply #886 on: October 24, 2019, 02:08:41 pm »
Just curious -

Do you guys always vote for the same party in each election or do you look at the platforms of each and vote then vote for the one you think is best?

I wonder because so many here in Alberta vote Conservative, no matter what they do or say or accomplish.  I know so many that don't even really pay attention to what's going on - then vote Conservative.

I personally take a look at platforms before marking an X and that has caused me to also vote Conservative, but only occasionally. Mostly Liberal, because I liked their view of the country, and also NDP because I knew and respected my local rep. and wanted him to have a say.

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« Reply #887 on: October 24, 2019, 02:13:25 pm »
“We pay too much transfers to Kweebec is whining and snivelling”.

It’s constant.  “We make soooo much money and we don’t want other Canadians to see a red cent” is the Albertan attitude these days.

No it isn’t and it never has been. What pisses them off is having to sell their products at a discount because their fellow Canadians won’t let them access markets and having to pay them for the privilege. Attitudes like yours are a big driver of their discontent.
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« Reply #888 on: October 24, 2019, 02:22:04 pm »
Just curious -

Do you guys always vote for the same party in each election or do you look at the platforms of each and vote then vote for the one you think is best?

I wonder because so many here in Alberta vote Conservative, no matter what they do or say or accomplish.  I know so many that don't even really pay attention to what's going on - then vote Conservative.
The platforms don't change a ton. By that, I of course don't mean the specifics, but the general differences between the platforms always remain the same. I've switched my vote around parties a number of times. Most recently, the biggest reason I changed my vote was due to the personality of the candidates. I came to realize something watching my local candidates campaign. There are two types of politicians: those who show up to events to be seen and those who show up to events to see their constituents. Jenica Atwin won in Fredericton because she's that special kind of candidate who is gregarious and genuine, but also shows up at events not to be the centre of attention but to actually hear from people and talk to them. That's the kind of representation I want in Ottawa. I want someone who listens to their constituents and truly wants to be a representative, not someone who merely wants the title and status that being an MP brings to them. I want someone who isn't doing it for themselves.
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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #889 on: October 24, 2019, 03:12:43 pm »
Depends on the question I guess. Maybe the notwithstanding clause could play into it. Who knows.

Notwithstanding the notwithstanding clause, how do they affect something completely outside of their control. It is like me saying I will dictate what you have for dinner. I guess my only influence is to hold my breath until you have what I say.

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« Reply #890 on: October 24, 2019, 03:20:14 pm »
Just curious -

Do you guys always vote for the same party in each election or do you look at the platforms of each and vote then vote for the one you think is best?

I wonder because so many here in Alberta vote Conservative, no matter what they do or say or accomplish.  I know so many that don't even really pay attention to what's going on - then vote Conservative.

I have switched between NDP and Green.  Mostly Green in the last 10 years, or so. 

I was semi-excited about Michael Chong in the CPC leadership race and became a member to vote for him!  But once he was so far back in the race that there was no hope in hell he'd win, and it was between Scheer and Bernier (both of whom turn my stomach), I asked for my $10 back.  I never got a refund.  I never voted Con before, nor did I consider it this time. 

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« Reply #891 on: October 24, 2019, 04:15:22 pm »
No it isn’t and it never has been. What pisses them off is having to sell their products at a discount because their fellow Canadians won’t let them access markets and having to pay them for the privilege. Attitudes like yours are a big driver of their discontent.

Bullshit.  They are angry over transfer payments.  They even mentioned a referendum about them recently.

I am ambivalent about the pipeline, so I'm not sure what attitude you're talking about.

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« Reply #892 on: October 24, 2019, 04:49:52 pm »
Bullshit.  They are angry over transfer payments.  They even mentioned a referendum about them recently.

I am ambivalent about the pipeline, so I'm not sure what attitude you're talking about.

That's what I said, they are pissed at the RoC blocking access to world markets of their main product and having to pay the RoC for the privilege.
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« Reply #893 on: October 24, 2019, 05:10:02 pm »
That's what I said, they are pissed at the RoC blocking access to world markets of their main product and having to pay the RoC for the privilege.

There is no blocking access by the RoC.  That's a false narrative. 

Oil sands production is at an all time high.  They pay based on revenues.  They have revenues because they have oil...  despite their mismanagement of their own resource.

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« Reply #894 on: October 24, 2019, 05:36:23 pm »
That's what I said, they are pissed at the RoC blocking access to world markets of their main product and having to pay the RoC for the privilege.

Access to West Berlin was blocked in 1948-49, perhaps Alberta should fly their gunk out. That is what a real blockade looks like.

Not wanting a polluting pipeline through my backyard or river is very different issue. I agree that we need to move things forward, but blaming the RoC for an industry problem is ridiculous. Pushing pipelines into fragile ecosystems, and dangerous waters like the Northern Gateway to Kitimat is a public relations nightmare caused by an irresponsible industry. Energy East became a disaster when the focus was not to achieve Canadian energy independence, but rather to pump to foreign markets. I have been saying for decades we need a Canadian solution, but we have an industry mostly owned by American, French, and Chinese companies who really don't care about the RoC.

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« Reply #895 on: October 24, 2019, 05:52:19 pm »
This was an interesting read.

https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-if-alberta-turns-separatist-the-rest-of-canada-is-in-big-trouble?fbclid=IwAR0HIj3e-4TqjdtuFOLRpaUkGC3kcADGHayG0n8BkLi5EelVAcoNEV04RuM#comments-area


I dont' know if the rest of Canada realizes how discontent Alberta is.  There is a growing Wexit contingent - I even have a friend who has been involved and took a position of leadership with the project.  I'm not on board with it, but it was an interesting read.
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« Reply #896 on: October 24, 2019, 06:17:09 pm »
This was an interesting read.

https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-if-alberta-turns-separatist-the-rest-of-canada-is-in-big-trouble?fbclid=IwAR0HIj3e-4TqjdtuFOLRpaUkGC3kcADGHayG0n8BkLi5EelVAcoNEV04RuM#comments-area


I dont' know if the rest of Canada realizes how discontent Alberta is.  There is a growing Wexit contingent - I even have a friend who has been involved and took a position of leadership with the project.  I'm not on board with it, but it was an interesting read.

I linked to an article earlier that it's a bunch of bots driving the Wexit nonsense on the internet.  If Alberta does want to go, then vote on it and let's negotiate...   

By the way, the oil sands are federal jurisdiction ceded to Alberta by an agreement back in 1930.   No Province of Alberta in Canada, no agreement.  Those would be Canadian resources again.

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« Reply #897 on: October 24, 2019, 06:41:39 pm »
This was an interesting read.

https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-if-alberta-turns-separatist-the-rest-of-canada-is-in-big-trouble?fbclid=IwAR0HIj3e-4TqjdtuFOLRpaUkGC3kcADGHayG0n8BkLi5EelVAcoNEV04RuM#comments-area


I dont' know if the rest of Canada realizes how discontent Alberta is.  There is a growing Wexit contingent - I even have a friend who has been involved and took a position of leadership with the project.  I'm not on board with it, but it was an interesting read.

I support AB and Quebec self-determination, and i'd much rather it happen within Canadian confederation than if they both separated.

Every time a Trudeau is elected as PM, separatism movements flourish and referendum threats pop up.  Keep your socialist utopian visions at home and leave the provinces alone.
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« Reply #898 on: October 24, 2019, 08:41:12 pm »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/catherine-mckenna-vandalism-office-1.5333420

   Hopefully they catch the piece of **** who would do this.  This stems directly from conservatives who make climate change and environmental issues personal to “Climate Barbie”.   

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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #899 on: October 24, 2019, 11:15:21 pm »
Deleted: I must have broken the thread. Sorry :'(
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