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Offline the_squid

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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2019, 04:09:51 pm »
You really have to ask?  Lol

Yeah...  I'm genuinely curious why anyone thinks that gender should render one's opinion moot.   That's what society did for a long time with women's opinions, and clearly it wasn't OK.  So that mentality is very odd to me. 



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I think temporart vasectomies should be mandatory for all young men, to avoid unwanted pregnancies. They can be reversed for wanted pregnancies, once they qualify with homes and sufficient salaries to support a family.

This unwanted random spreading of viable sperm has to stop! 

I'll make sure the committee is stacked with women.
Lol

If you think a committee of women would support something like that, I think you're wrong.  I think a committee of women would see that it would violate a person's (man's) rights and would never be in favour of something like that.

But I guess I have a higher opinion of my fellow citizens, be they man or woman, than you do.

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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2019, 04:14:10 pm »
I have a real problem with men trying to make women's choices for them.

Using your twisted logic, this means a woman who is anti-abortion would have a more credible and valid opinion to you than a man who supports women's choice and bodily autonomy.
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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2019, 04:28:11 pm »
You really have to ask?  Lol

I think temporary vasectomies should be mandatory for all young men, to avoid unwanted pregnancies. They can be reversed for wanted pregnancies, once they qualify with homes and sufficient salaries to support a family.

This unwanted random spreading of viable sperm has to stop! 

I'll make sure the committee is stacked with women.
Lol

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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2019, 04:50:10 pm »
Yeah...  I'm genuinely curious why anyone thinks that gender should render one's opinion moot. 

I think a committee of women would see that it would violate a person's (man's) rights and would never be in favour of something like that.

Yes, it would violate a man's rights and I think women would see that.

Would a committee of men see that it violates a women's rights to make laws against abortion?
Depends. Some would see it.

But historically, 'committees' of men did make laws that violated a women's right to control her own body.

Do you get my point now?

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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2019, 05:47:32 pm »
Using your twisted logic, this means a woman who is anti-abortion would have a more credible and valid opinion to you than a man who supports women's choice and bodily autonomy.

Yes I have to agree with your interpretation of that logic. We have all seen lots of pics./videos of women waving signs at other women in attempts to scare them away from entering abortion clinics. And check out how many men sat on the SCOC in 1988.

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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2019, 05:57:52 pm »
I think temporary vasectomies should be mandatory for all young men, to avoid unwanted pregnancies. They can be reversed for wanted pregnancies, once they qualify with homes and sufficient salaries to support a family.

I think it should be at birth.  Worldwide.

Then later it can be reversed, based on the decision of a committee of both men and women whose sole purpose is to decide who gets to give birth and who doesn't.

It seems absolutely obvious to me.
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Offline Granny

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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2019, 06:11:32 pm »
Using your twisted logic, this means a woman who is anti-abortion would have a more credible and valid opinion to you than a man who supports women's choice and bodily autonomy.

You miss the point again:
Historically, men made those decisions for women, and presently in terms of representation in Parliament, they still would.

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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2019, 06:18:08 pm »
I think it should be at birth.  Worldwide.

Then later it can be reversed, based on the decision of a committee of both men and women whose sole purpose is to decide who gets to give birth and who doesn't.

It seems absolutely obvious to me.

Um, just to remind you, men don't give birth. So that's not only dumb, it's MLW type of dumb.

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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2019, 06:19:59 pm »
Yes, it would violate a man's rights and I think women would see that.

Would a committee of men see that it violates a women's rights to make laws against abortion?
Depends. Some would see it.

So women would see that it violates rights...   and some men would see that abortion is a right....   but men can't have an opinion on that.  But women who are anti-abortion do have a right to an opinion...   

so an anti-abortion woman's opinion is more valuable than a man who has pro-choice views... 

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But historically, 'committees' of men did make laws that violated a women's right to control her own body.

So what about those anti-abortion women?   Valid viewpoint?  What if they're on this committee?

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Do you get my point now?

No...  you are confused and illogical.

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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2019, 06:20:08 pm »
Um, just to remind you, men don't give birth. So that's not only dumb, it's MLW type of dumb.

For crying out loud, what is your obsession with MLW?  Give it a rest, why don't you?

Anyway, to your point.  You do realize what the committee would be deciding on, right?

The woman involved would still be quite interested in the decision.
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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2019, 06:23:51 pm »
So women would see that it violates rights...   and some men would see that abortion is a right....   but men can't have an opinion on that.  But women who are anti-abortion do have a right to an opinion...   

so an anti-abortion woman's opinion is more valuable than a man who has pro-choice views... 

So what about those anti-abortion women?   Valid viewpoint?  What if they're on this committee?

No...  you are confused and illogical.
No, you are pretending to be a blockhead. 

Men's opinions on abortion are irrelevant.
It isn't their body.

Clear enough?

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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2019, 06:25:43 pm »
No, you are pretending to be a blockhead. 

Men's opinions on abortion are irrelevant.
It isn't their body.

Clear enough?

I see what he's saying.  Anyone's opinion on someone else's abortion is irrelevant.
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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2019, 06:28:57 pm »
You miss the point again:
Historically, men made those decisions for women, and presently in terms of representation in Parliament, they still would.



SCC Judges during the Morgentaler case:   Dickson, Robert George Brian; Beetz, Jean; Estey, Willard Zebedee; McIntyre, William Rogers; Lamer, Antonio; Wilson, Bertha; La Forest, Gérard V.

I bolded the men judges on the Supreme Court.  4 men and the 1 woman ruled in favour of abortion rights. 

4 men....   they were men.  Pro-choice judges who were men.

Your lack of respect for the opinions of an entire gender is the same mentality as those men who don't consider the opinion of women to be valid.

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Re: Federal Election 2019
« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2019, 06:30:39 pm »
No, you are pretending to be a blockhead. 

Men's opinions on abortion are irrelevant.
It isn't their body.

Clear enough?

Yes, I get it.  It's very clear.  It's the same as some icky old man who doesn't want to hear from women...  cuz they're women...