Author Topic: Electric vehicles (Read 1298 times)

Squidward von Squidderson · « **Reply #45 on:** August 18, 2020, 12:31:42 pm »

Quote from: Boges on August 18, 2020, 08:27:23 am

I did end up getting an EV. I've yet to take possession.

Some good manufacturers incentives and the fact that I'm putting in a good chunk of miles on my current car made me take the jump.

A consideration many will have to take is being able to kit your garage with a Stage 2 charger. It could cost a lot if you have to upgrade your board.

I'm going to pay an electrician to run a NEMA 14-50 outlet into my garage.

The most convenient places to get Stage 2 charger is surprisingly Amazon. I've ordered a portable 32 amp on for $400. These can go for upwards of $1200+ but it's doesn't appear necessary.

Which EV did you get?

Boges · « **Reply #46 on:** August 18, 2020, 12:45:54 pm »

Quote from: the_squid on August 18, 2020, 12:31:42 pm

Which EV did you get?

Hyundai Ioniq.

wilber · « **Reply #47 on:** August 18, 2020, 01:18:24 pm »

Quote from: Boges on August 18, 2020, 12:45:54 pm

Hyundai Ioniq.

Nice

Boges · « **Reply #48 on:** August 23, 2020, 11:05:05 am »

Considering I just obtained an EV and haven't received a Hydro Bill to reflect my regular usage, I can still come to some stark conclusions about EV driving.

It's astonishingly more efficient to ICE (internal combustion engines) transportation. To the point that it's hard to understand why ICEs ever became the dominant method of transportation.

My car has the battery capacity of 38 kwh (which is half the capacity of a Tesla 3) under normal conditions and driving habits, it gets anywhere from 250-300 kms on that charge.

So that would be 3 charges to get 750 kms. That's about the range of a very efficient ICE or Hybrid car. In Ontario a kwh is 12¢. So if 3 charges were required to drive 750 kms, at 12 cents a KWh for a 38 KWH battery you'd be able to travel that distance for less than $14.

9 kwh is also equals about a litre of regular gasoline.
https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy-efficiency/energy-efficiency-transportation/personal-vehicles/choosing-right-vehicle/buying-electric-vehicle/understanding-tables/21383

So 50Ls of fuel would produce the equivalent of 450 kwh. I would be able to charge my EV 12 times with that many KWH!

Using a gasoline engine to power and automobile seems criminally inefficient. That amount of gasoline could produce enough electricity to power a home for a month or drive an four EVs for a comparable range.

And that's not even considering regenerative breaking that extends the life of a battery when on the road.

The $800 initial investment to getting a Stage 2 charger in my garage seems more than worth it, at this point.

JMT · « **Reply #49 on:** August 23, 2020, 11:45:58 am »

No question that my next vehicle is going to be an EV.

Squidward von Squidderson · « **Reply #50 on:** August 23, 2020, 12:38:55 pm »

If your trips are mostly within the city, they’re brilliant. I can’t imagine my next new vehicle not being an EV, while still owning a truck and something that’s fun to drive. Something I can jump in and doe the Port Renfrew loop in a day. Or take the roads through the mountains near Pemberton to get to the interior, rather than the boring highway and have some fun doing it.

Boges · « **Reply #51 on:** August 24, 2020, 07:24:07 am »

Quote from: the_squid on August 23, 2020, 12:38:55 pm

If your trips are mostly within the city, they’re brilliant. I can’t imagine my next new vehicle not being an EV, while still owning a truck and something that’s fun to drive. Something I can jump in and doe the Port Renfrew loop in a day. Or take the roads through the mountains near Pemberton to get to the interior, rather than the boring highway and have some fun doing it.

Even with Highway driving they're fine.

kimmy · « **Reply #52 on:** August 25, 2020, 12:11:47 pm »

I think we have to thank Tesla for changing the public perception of what an electrical vehicle could be. People used to imagine crappy little golf cart sized vehicles with feeble performance and dismal range. Now people can see the potential of electric vehicles-- high quality, amazing performance, luxury, and good range. People get that an electric car doesn't need to be like a Nissan Leaf.

So many new entries are coming into the electric vehicle market in the next few years that I would want to wait a few more years. It seems like competition is heating up and there will be a lot more options very soon.

I am more interested in PHEV vehicles-- something with 40km of battery range would be plenty for almost all of my driving, but with the option of going on a road trip without planning around charging stations. The Toyota Rav4 PHEV has arrived and it sounds like what I'd be looking for. But Nissan, Jeep, Ford, and maybe GM will all have competitors soon, I believe. Volvo also makes PHEV versions of its SUVs now, for people who can afford it. I can't. I need my Pathfinder to last a few more years before I start thinking about a replacement. When I do, a Rav4 PHEV or similar vehicle will be high on my list.

-k

Squidward von Squidderson · « **Reply #53 on:** August 25, 2020, 12:22:59 pm »

I might be interested in an electric roadster, if it was fun to drive... but I still need a vehicle to tow and drive out in the woods. But I don’t drive the truck on a daily basis anyway, so a fun EV as a daily driver would work for me. Maybe not in winter...

Speaking o which... EVs are still not a practical option for winter in much of Canada. Cold temperatures affect battery range tremendously. Imagine being stuck in a blizzard with a dead EV.

Boges · « **Reply #54 on:** August 25, 2020, 12:35:43 pm »

Quote from: the_squid on August 25, 2020, 12:22:59 pm

Speaking o which... EVs are still not a practical option for winter in much of Canada. Cold temperatures affect battery range tremendously. Imagine being stuck in a blizzard with a dead EV.

There's a robust infrastructure of charging stations all across North America.

You have to do the math for the purpose of the car. I'm using mine for a commuter car to go about 90 kms a day. The car gets 250-300 a day. That means I should charge the car every other day. One probably shouldn't set out for a 90 kms trip with only 100 kms of range left.

But that 100 kms of range left on the second day is a good buffer say I want to go somewhere other than home.

I think, in the winter, I'll get used to charging the car every day.

The car comes with an App that lets you schedule charging and also schedule the Comfort settings to come on. So if I leave for work at 7 every day. I can have it warm by then, and it's not using the battery, it's using the home's hydro to warm the car up for me.

I'm hopeful I'll be able to avoid clearing snow off the car on a snowy morning or scrapping frost.

JMT · « **Reply #55 on:** August 25, 2020, 04:00:43 pm »

Quote from: kimmy on August 25, 2020, 12:11:47 pm

I am more interested in PHEV vehicles-- something with 40km of battery range would be plenty for almost all of my driving, but with the option of going on a road trip without planning around charging stations. The Toyota Rav4 PHEV has arrived and it sounds like what I'd be looking for. But Nissan, Jeep, Ford,

Ford has two PHEVs, including one based on the Escape.

Boges · « **Reply #56 on:** August 26, 2020, 08:17:43 am »

Quote from: JMT on August 25, 2020, 04:00:43 pm

Ford has two PHEVs, including one based on the Escape.

Many car makers are shying away from the PHEV option. It's seen as being half pregnant.

If you have a commute of under 50 kms, is gas mileage the most important thing. A Hybrid works for that segment. While a long-range commuter like me sees the benefit in the EV.

Honda is eliminating the Clarity which is their only Plug-In model, I'm assuming to jump into the EV market full steam.

Chevy eliminated the popular Volt and replaced it with the Bolt which seems like a $40,000 Golf Cart.

wilber · « **Reply #57 on:** August 26, 2020, 11:55:07 am »

I'm kind of betwixt and between at the moment, waiting to see what the next year or two will bring in EV's. There is a plug in hybrid version of my car that has 40KM electric only range but it is 12K more expensive than the gas version and loses a bit of cargo space to accommodate the battery. I can't really justify that. I also like the idea of not having the cost of maintaining an ICE. An EV may well be my next vehicle but not for a bit. Of course I would have to keep my truck for towing and any long trips where charging might be a problem.

Boges · « **Reply #58 on:** November 11, 2021, 09:09:02 am »

I think people are re-thinking their position on EVs with recent prices we're seeing.

Even DoFo in Ontario is looking at mining the Ring of Fire for EV battery components.

People should have seen these prices coming. We've been on the brink of $1.50+/litre gas for the last 15 years.

Queefer Sutherland · « **Reply #59 on:** November 11, 2021, 02:16:43 pm »

Quote from: Boges on November 11, 2021, 09:09:02 am

I think people are re-thinking their position on EVs with recent prices we're seeing.

Even DoFo in Ontario is looking at mining the Ring of Fire for EV battery components.

People should have seen these prices coming. We've been on the brink of $1.50+/litre gas for the last 15 years.

Trudeau should have temporarily stopped the carbon tax on gasoline until these pandemic supply issues were cleared up. Everything needs to be shipped to stores by truck, meaning everything is even more expensive than it would be.

Maybe if you could buy an EV tractor trailer and it didn't cost a billion dollars to run it would make sense.

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