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Offline waldo

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« Reply #390 on: October 15, 2021, 12:03:14 am »
drips & drabs keep filtering out of the 'unofficial' postmortem review around the O'Toole/CPC loser election results... as in how the CPC is becoming the party of rural Canadians given its failure to break through in Canada's largest cities. And then there's how the O'Toole/CPC 'stance and messaging on China' is viewed as the cause behind losing 3 seats that are heavily populated with Chinese-Canadians; the 3 seats in BC's Steveston-Richmond East, BC's Richmond Centre and the Ontario seat in Markham-Unionville... 2 of those 3 seats saw incumbent Chinese-Canadian CPC MPs lose.

Chinese-Canadian Tories urge O'Toole to resign, saying tough-on-China platform alienated voters --- 'Why don’t we leave the destiny of China to the Chinese people who live inside?... Any time you’re interfering, what happens? You just raise the nationalism'

c'mon waldo, it's surely only coincidental this guy looks Chinese & has a Chinese name! LOL! Conservative Party's national council suspends member {Bert Chen} after bid to recall O'Toole as leader
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« Reply #391 on: October 15, 2021, 08:15:05 am »
I don't think implying racism is a great way to go on this.  Lots of Chinese-Canadians (yes Mr. Perfect I DO appear to use that term after all) have an issue with China also.
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« Reply #392 on: October 15, 2021, 01:01:36 pm »
Quote from: waldo on October 15, 2021, 12:03:14 am
Chinese-Canadian Tories urge O'Toole to resign, saying tough-on-China platform alienated voters --- 'Why don’t we leave the destiny of China to the Chinese people who live inside?... Any time you’re interfering, what happens? You just raise the nationalism'

c'mon waldo, it's surely only coincidental this guy looks Chinese & has a Chinese name! LOL! Conservative Party's national council suspends member {Bert Chen} after bid to recall O'Toole as leader

If these Chinese-Canadian Tories care more about appeasing China-loyal constituents rather than the national interests of Canada they should be expelled from the party.  Canada has no room for traitors, either members of the public and especially our politicians.

The Liberals are where they are because they appease foreign interests for votes.
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« Reply #393 on: October 15, 2021, 01:02:28 pm »
Quote from: MH on October 15, 2021, 08:15:05 am
I don't think implying racism is a great way to go on this.  Lots of Chinese-Canadians (yes Mr. Perfect I DO appear to use that term after all) have an issue with China also.

To imply racism for O'Toole being tough on the CCP is absolutely disgusting. 
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« Reply #394 on: October 15, 2021, 01:08:39 pm »
I would enact a law where only Canadian-born citizens can run for federal office in the name of national security.  Sorry for those offended, I care more about our national security than people's feelings.

The US has this clause for POTUS and Vice POTUS.  Seems a good idea.
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« Reply #395 on: October 15, 2021, 01:11:12 pm »
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I would enact a law where only Canadian-born citizens can run for federal office in the name of national security.  Sorry for those offended, I care more about our national security than people's feelings.

The US has this clause for POTUS and Vice POTUS.  Seems a good idea.

Is there any evidence that this would help national security?

I guess we wouldn’t have had much of a parliament for the first 30 years or so if this had been the rule from the start.
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« Reply #396 on: October 15, 2021, 01:11:43 pm »
I would love to know how much foreign interference was involved in our election by China.

"Former MP Kenny Chiu, defeated by 3,000 votes in Steveston-Richmond East, said Chinese-language news and social media were full of disinformation about the party’s position on China and his own private member’s bill to set up a registry for foreign agents. He suspects an organized campaign to distort the party’s message, while state-run media in China accused O’Toole of having an anti-Chinese agenda.

Chiu said Tuesday he spoke to Canadian Security Intelligence Service agents about his concerns but “by that time it was too late.”

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/chinese-canadian-tories-urge-otoole-to-resign-saying-tough-on-china-platform-alienated-voters
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« Reply #397 on: October 15, 2021, 01:15:05 pm »
Quote from: Coonlight Graham on October 15, 2021, 01:11:43 pm
I would love to know how much foreign interference was involved in our election by China.

"Former MP Kenny Chiu, defeated by 3,000 votes in Steveston-Richmond East, said Chinese-language news and social media were full of disinformation about the party’s position on China and his own private member’s bill to set up a registry for foreign agents. He suspects an organized campaign to distort the party’s message, while state-run media in China accused O’Toole of having an anti-Chinese agenda.

Chiu said Tuesday he spoke to Canadian Security Intelligence Service agents about his concerns but “by that time it was too late.”

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/chinese-canadian-tories-urge-otoole-to-resign-saying-tough-on-china-platform-alienated-voters

Former MP Chiu would have been excluded from ever running for parliament under your proposed anti-immigrant MP rules.
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« Reply #398 on: October 15, 2021, 01:20:43 pm »
Quote from: Squidward von Squidderson on October 15, 2021, 01:11:12 pm
Is there any evidence that this would help national security?

I guess we wouldn’t have had much of a parliament for the first 30 years or so if this had been the rule from the start.

So you don't think that foreign agents like those escorted from the viral research lab in Winnipeg could run for office?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50541082

https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/who-is-mp-gladys-liu/11528352
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« Reply #399 on: October 15, 2021, 01:21:19 pm »
Quote from: Squidward von Squidderson on October 15, 2021, 01:15:05 pm
Former MP Chiu would have been excluded from ever running for parliament under your proposed anti-immigrant MP rules.

And?
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« Reply #400 on: October 15, 2021, 01:59:02 pm »
Quote from: Coonlight Graham on October 15, 2021, 01:20:43 pm
So you don't think that foreign agents like those escorted from the viral research lab in Winnipeg could run for office?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50541082

https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/who-is-mp-gladys-liu/11528352

You think you have to be born elsewhere to be a foreign agent?

But I didn’t ask for an example of someone who works against Canada’s interests.

I asked for evidence that MPs not born in Canada are a problem with security.

I don’t care if it feels good to you not to have foreign born people as MPs….  Where is the actual evidence of a problem, not some conspiracies rolling around in your head.
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« Reply #401 on: October 15, 2021, 03:13:29 pm »
Quote from: Squidward von Squidderson on October 15, 2021, 01:59:02 pm
You think you have to be born elsewhere to be a foreign agent?

But I didn’t ask for an example of someone who works against Canada’s interests.

I asked for evidence that MPs not born in Canada are a problem with security.

I don’t care if it feels good to you not to have foreign born people as MPs….  Where is the actual evidence of a problem, not some conspiracies rolling around in your head.[/quote]

You think the CCP using foreign agents to infiltrate western governments is a conspiracy theory?  LOL don't be naive.   I just posted 2 articles of examples.  We also had Chinese researchers removed from a top security virus lab 2 years ago.  They also sent deadly viruses from Canada's lab to China:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/canadian-scientist-sent-deadly-viruses-to-wuhan-lab-months-before-rcmp-asked-to-investigate-1.5609582

Don't believe me, listen to CSIS:  https://globalnews.ca/news/7075248/canada-china-interference-permissive-target/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-csis-warns-chinas-operation-fox-hunt-is-targeting-canadas-chinese/

Or: 

https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2dfb99-f839-4e00-8bd8-59dec0daf589.html

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/activists-experts-and-policy-makers-speak-out-on-chinese-state-influence-in-canada-1.5407770
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« Reply #402 on: October 15, 2021, 03:21:35 pm »
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You think the CCP using foreign agents to infiltrate western governments is a conspiracy theory?

The conspiracy theory is that foreign born MPs are a threat to security.   Show some evidence.  This is the 3rd time I’ve asked.  If you have none, just say so. 
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« Reply #403 on: October 15, 2021, 04:17:27 pm »
Quote from: Squidward von Squidderson on October 15, 2021, 03:21:35 pm
The conspiracy theory is that foreign born MPs are a threat to security.   Show some evidence.  This is the 3rd time I’ve asked.  If you have none, just say so.

I already have, you're free to read or not read whatever you like.
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« Reply #404 on: October 15, 2021, 04:59:23 pm »
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waldo projection: 160 seats is in the bag!

earlier today Elections Canada confirmed the judicial recount for Toronto-Davenport... incumbent MP, Liberal Julie Dzerowicz, has been confirmed winner over the 2nd place NDP candidate, giving the Trudeau Liberal Party 160 seats won - notwithstanding the candidate Kevin Vuong who was ousted from caucus and will sit as an independent MP for Spadina-Fort York

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