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Online Bubbermiley

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Re: 2021 Election Campaign
« Reply #240 on: September 06, 2021, 01:31:35 pm »
This is the most boring election campaign I've ever seen.
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« Reply #241 on: September 06, 2021, 02:23:00 pm »
This is the most boring election campaign I've ever seen.

I like this, somehow.

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« Reply #242 on: September 06, 2021, 05:07:57 pm »
Found it!  On Twitter of course.

If anyone else is interested:

https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2021/09/02/en-direct--face-a-face-2021-les-chefs-saffrontent-dans-un-premier-debat

BTW, this debate is not through Elections Canada, it's just a TVA thing.

Can anybody find a link the the french debates with english translation?
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« Reply #243 on: September 07, 2021, 12:37:30 am »
This is the most boring election campaign I've ever seen.

I kinda disagree.  PPC has become a wild card I did not see gaining any traction and the more Mad Max goes alt-right, the more O'Toole goes for the middle.  At this point the differences between Trudeau and O'Toole are getting smaller and smaller.

The anger towards Trudeau is unlike anything I've seen in my lifetime.  Truth be told, I wish the election was more boring.  I'm not digging this level of tribalism in a Canadian election.
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« Reply #244 on: September 07, 2021, 09:49:10 am »
Geez, Member Waldo has gone to the Liberal Bunker.

The Liberals are working on the messaging attacking the NDP.

A vote for the NDP is a vote for O'Toole.

I should hope the CPC will jump on the prospect of a Coalition government should he not win a Majority. That may help solidify the base and move centre-right Liberal voters over to his camp.

I can see JT embracing a Coalition just to keep power.
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« Reply #245 on: September 07, 2021, 12:57:39 pm »
I kinda disagree. 
You're probably right. I think I'm just generally more bored and desensitized. I need mobs and rioting and a gallows set up in the public square in order to be interested.
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« Reply #246 on: September 07, 2021, 02:23:21 pm »
You're probably right. I think I'm just generally more bored and desensitized. I need mobs and rioting and a gallows set up in the public square in order to be interested.

You mean like JT campaign stops in Ontario?
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« Reply #247 on: September 07, 2021, 02:23:45 pm »
The anger towards Trudeau is unlike anything I've seen in my lifetime.  Truth be told, I wish the election was more boring.  I'm not digging this level of tribalism in a Canadian election.

I'm not sure its tribalism, it seems more like anti-vax sentiment with the anger.
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« Reply #248 on: September 07, 2021, 08:17:19 pm »
You mean like JT campaign stops in Ontario?
True enough. The rock-throwing and threats to hang Trudeau in the streets by PPC candidates is certainly livening it up.

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« Reply #249 on: September 08, 2021, 05:23:11 am »
I'm not sure its tribalism, it seems more like anti-vax sentiment with the anger.

These people are forming an independent political movement.  It's not based on rationality or even a recognizable emotional response.

They're developing cultural traits and language unique to them.  For example, I read in VICE that a QANON follower in Canada is being regarded as Canada's secret 'Queen'.

So it sounds more tribal than anything.

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« Reply #250 on: September 08, 2021, 12:14:09 pm »
These people are forming an independent political movement.  It's not based on rationality or even a recognizable emotional response.

They're developing cultural traits and language unique to them.  For example, I read in VICE that a QANON follower in Canada is being regarded as Canada's secret 'Queen'.

So it sounds more tribal than anything.

Tribalism refers to politics of being a member of an identity group, like the Bloc.  They aren't throwing stuff because of white nationalism,  they're throwing stuff because they're mad at vaccine mandates etc.
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« Reply #251 on: September 08, 2021, 12:29:22 pm »
Tribalism refers to politics of being a member of an identity group, like the Bloc.  They aren't throwing stuff because of white nationalism,  they're throwing stuff because they're mad at vaccine mandates etc.

But this is the type of Populist Victim Politics that plague the Conservative movement now.

Trump's election validated it.
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« Reply #252 on: September 08, 2021, 12:53:17 pm »
But this is the type of Populist Victim Politics that plague the Conservative movement now.

Trump's election validated it.

I don't really see people being mad about vaccine mandates as populism, I see it as people protesting for their civil liberties.  Some are being violent and that's wrong, and I cautiously support vaccine mandates as an unfortunate but necessary measure to ensure public safety, but there's nothing wrong with people peacefully protesting for their liberties even if you disagree.  Freedom of speech isn't there to protect the speech we all agree with, it's to protect the speech we and specifically the government disagrees with.

To label these protestors as simply tribal populist QAnon Trump supporters as a character assault so we can quickly  dismiss their concerns is not only fallacious but low brow.  They have a right to protest but no right to be violent or threatening.

What is concerning is that the more extreme members of these crowds believe in nutty covid conspiracies and are apt to get violent,  which does have a similarity to the Jan. 6 Trump nuts.
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« Reply #253 on: September 08, 2021, 02:39:58 pm »
What is concerning is that the more extreme members of these crowds believe in nutty covid conspiracies…

So which of them don’t believe in nutty COVID conspiracies?   What are the legitimate grievances that they’re protesting?
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« Reply #254 on: September 08, 2021, 03:01:18 pm »
So which of them don’t believe in nutty COVID conspiracies?   What are the legitimate grievances that they’re protesting?

Vaccine mandates and lockdowns and border restrictions etc aka civil liberties.
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