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Offline waldo

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« Reply #135 on: August 23, 2021, 08:29:19 pm »
rightly or wrongly, this so-called 'manipulated media' reference is a mainstay of politics... not the manipulation of actual words spoken (as in changing them); rather, manipulation by omission of full comment and associated context - it's done all the time... geezaz, NDP/Singh is the king in that misinforming regard! And again, CPC/O'Toole did exactly that last week in a video of PM Trudeau answering a question on monetary policy.

so... why did Ms. Freeland's tweet get tagged? Apparently, the Liberal Party has reached out to twitter asking for a clarification on policy and specifically how the tweet was "manipulated" therein - still no word back from twitter!

and again, member kimmo - do you dispute the Conservative want for 2-tier healthcare in Canada? Care to take a stab on the related questions CPC/O'Toole and "shadow minister for health" Rempel both refused to answer today - after multiple questions on health care privatization were put to them? Member kimmo, care to explain what CPC/O'Toole meant by his saying he wants to, "bring for profit synergies to public healthcare"? C'mon kimmo, given their refusals to answer questions today on healthcare privatization, care to step in and explain just what CPC/O'Toole meant by his statement, "bringing for profit synergies to public healthcare"?

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« Reply #136 on: August 23, 2021, 08:36:52 pm »
You know, maybe if they'd waited until after Bill C-10 passed to call the election, Truth Minister Guilbeault could have demanded that Twitter remove the warning by ministerial decree.

oh snap! Showing yet again you haven't a clue... here you're simply regurgitating recycled opposition talking points on Bill C-10!

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« Reply #137 on: August 23, 2021, 08:55:32 pm »
c'mon waldo, again today, both CPC/O'Toole and CPC 'shadow health critic' Rempel refused to answer the 8 media questions on the CPC's intents toward health care privatization...questions on that, "for profit synergies to public health care" statement from CPC/O'Toole. Why waldo, all those non-answers are an answer, right? ... right kimmo?

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« Reply #138 on: August 23, 2021, 09:16:32 pm »
reporter Marieke Walsh... one of the most favourably biased towards the CPC! When even she can't ignore the most brazen non-answers from CPC/O'Toole:


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« Reply #139 on: August 23, 2021, 11:40:47 pm »
today, a health care policy statement from a reelected Liberal government; to create a healthier Canada for all Canadians by working with the provinces and territories to rebuild the health care system by:

=> Hiring 7500 additional Doctors, Nurses & Nurse Practitioners.
=> Clearing the wait list for backlogged procedures.
=> Investing in telehealth for rural & remote patients.
=> Investing $6B, to keep our public system strong.
=> Investing in recruiting a broad range of health professionals to rural and remote regions of the country.

Quote from: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
To make our health care system work better for everyone, and to create a healthier Canada, we need to rebuild. Erin O’Toole’s Conservatives tried to stand in our way as we supported Canadians through the pandemic and now he wants to bring private, for-profit health care to Canada. We can’t let him cut services like health care. We have to keep moving forward — for everyone.

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« Reply #140 on: August 23, 2021, 11:50:56 pm »
rightly or wrongly, this so-called 'manipulated media' reference is a mainstay of politics... not the manipulation of actual words spoken (as in changing them); rather, manipulation by omission of full comment and associated context - it's done all the time... geezaz, NDP/Singh is the king in that misinforming regard! And again, CPC/O'Toole did exactly that last week in a video of PM Trudeau answering a question on monetary policy.
The only thing that tops misinforming voters by telling them they just voted in the last FPTP election is insisting that was never actually a real promise.
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« Reply #141 on: August 24, 2021, 11:15:32 am »
The only thing that tops misinforming voters by telling them they just voted in the last FPTP election is insisting that was never actually a real promise.

who are your claimed "insisters"? ... certainly not PM Trudeau! Save for invested politicos, electoral reform is not a driving issue behind Canadians voting practices. You're invested, so... you want to keep nattering on about it! And you do so even when PM Trudeau has repeatedly given his reasons/rationale behind walking away from electoral reform. We've had several threads discussing this and yet you still insist on repeatedly bringing it forward. Is it simply because you want change for change sake? ... because clearly its been shown that PR is a system that can favour the fringe & extremist elements. Where these fringe/extremist elements can end up holding the balance of power; something that PM Trudeau also alluded to as part of his reasoning/rationale in not pursuing electoral reform. Of course you conveniently ignore that PM Trudeau, with a majority government, could have pursued ranked balloting but he has pointedly stated he walked away from that because he recognized there was a narrative being pushed by PR advocates that ranked balloting favoured the Liberal party.

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« Reply #142 on: August 24, 2021, 02:53:49 pm »
  PM Trudeau has repeatedly given his reasons/rationale behind walking away from electoral reform. 

I forgot what those reasons were.  Here's MacLeans talking about it back in the day...

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/why-we-broke-our-electoral-reform-promise-signed-a-liberal-mp/

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« Reply #143 on: August 24, 2021, 04:02:07 pm »
We've had several threads discussing this and yet you still insist on repeatedly bringing it forward.
Nonsense, you haven't addressed Trudeau's spreading misinformation, aka lying, a single time.

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Is it simply because you want change for change sake? ...
No I simply won't abide being goverened by a liar and have little patience for those who defend the amount of lying going on in our political system.
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« Reply #144 on: August 24, 2021, 05:33:22 pm »
Imagine having a system that is run by men and women of honour and ethics who swear oaths to serve our country and protect our democracy at all costs, including their own careers, and actually live up to those oaths.  Those would be true patriots.

There was a doctor in Ontario who was a part of the COVID advisory board.  He just resigned because he said the info released on the board was swayed by politics, and the board and gov has been withholding data about bad projection models for the 4th wave in the fall.  Good for him for speaking out, a true patriot.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8133497/ontario-covid-science-table-member-resigns-modelling-data/
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« Reply #145 on: August 24, 2021, 06:22:44 pm »
Imagine having a system that is run by men and women of honour and ethics who swear oaths to serve our country and protect our democracy at all costs, including their own careers, and actually live up to those oaths.
Sounds good in theory

I still insist on a robust system of accountability and transparency - meticulous record keeping, verification, audits, validation and severe penalties for any attempts to cheat or avoid the process.

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Re: 2021 Election Campaign
« Reply #146 on: August 24, 2021, 11:30:06 pm »
The only thing that tops misinforming voters by telling them they just voted in the last FPTP election is insisting that was never actually a real promise.

who are your claimed "insisters"?

you ignored my question! As I see your post has now been tagged with 3 winner tags, surely you'll get off the pot and actually give the taggers some basis for their tagZeal - yes?

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« Reply #147 on: August 25, 2021, 12:14:54 am »
Nonsense, you haven't addressed Trudeau's spreading misinformation, aka lying, a single time.

No I simply won't abide being governed by a liar and have little patience for those who defend the amount of lying going on in our political system.

no, quit misinforming! In other threads I most certainly have provided the reasons/rationale as to why electoral reform was not pursued. But really, just how naive are you... all parties present election platforms with policy intentions. For an assortment of reasons, not all policy intent realizes a legislative/law result - go figure! Those reasons run the gamut from running out of time, opposition obstructionism (yes, even in a majority government), Senate delays, provincial government influences, court challenges, policy intent review/change, external influences (say like war, pandemic, etc.), etc.. And yes, certainly include government incompetence and no intention to meet a pledged policy intent in the first place...

but hey now, governments do 'get stuff done', whether one likes said stuff or not - here's a dose of that reality courtesy of ongoing election platform analysis undertaken by Universite Laval’s Centre for Public Policy Analysis; the 2 most recent majority government's in greater position to act upon policy intent statements:
=> 41st Parliament of Conservative Stephen Harper - 2011 to 2015: The Harper government completely met 77% of its election pledges, delivered in part on 7% and broke 16%.
=> 42nd Parliament of Liberal Justin Trudeau - 2015 to 2019: The Trudeau government entirely fulfilled 53.5% of its election pledges, delivered in part on 38.5% and broke 8%.

note: these figures on their own do not support direct comparison; for example, the Liberal 42nd Parliament included almost 5 times as many policy intent pledges than the Conservative 41st Parliament. More pointedly, the analysis states a significant number of the Liberal pledges were transformative (restructuring a system itself rather than reforming some relationship within the existing structure) versus the majority of Conservative pledges were transactional (working within an existing set of institutional & structural arrangements).

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« Reply #148 on: August 25, 2021, 12:38:33 am »
clearly under pressure to explain his comments on health care privatization, today in speaking to reporters CPC/O'Toole stated:

Quote from: CPC leader O'Toole
Private, for-profit services could help alleviate the pressure on publicly run facilities, reduce wait times and save money

wait now waldo, isn't that the same thing stated in the supposed "manipulated" video posted by Ms. Freeland - why yes, yes it is!

but there's more: CPC/O'Toole stated:

=> he also wouldn't stand in the way of provinces working with the private sector to make changes to how care is delivered

=> that he trusts the premiers to do what is best for patients in their provinces

=> the more choices Canadians have in health care, the better



public health care advocates state CPC/O’Toole can't have it both ways - that he has not explained how his support for allowing private, for-profit medical services squares with his assertion that he fully supports universal, public health care.

CPC/O'Toole <=> 2-tier health care


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Re: 2021 Election Campaign
« Reply #149 on: August 25, 2021, 08:43:06 am »
clearly under pressure to explain his comments on health care privatization, today in speaking to reporters CPC/O'Toole stated:

wait now waldo, isn't that the same thing stated in the supposed "manipulated" video posted by Ms. Freeland - why yes, yes it is!

but there's more: CPC/O'Toole stated:

=> he also wouldn't stand in the way of provinces working with the private sector to make changes to how care is delivered

=> that he trusts the premiers to do what is best for patients in their provinces

=> the more choices Canadians have in health care, the better



public health care advocates state CPC/O’Toole can't have it both ways - that he has not explained how his support for allowing private, for-profit medical services squares with his assertion that he fully supports universal, public health care.

CPC/O'Toole <=> 2-tier health care

I think a lot of people would support Canadians being able to access private Healthcare. All other Developed countries have a form of 2-tiere Healthcare.