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Re: Election 2019: Do something different!
« Reply #405 on: September 27, 2019, 02:55:48 am »
for anyone missing former PBO head Kevin Page, here's a taste as head of The University of Ottawa’s Institute for Fiscal Studies and Democracy (IFSD) - where IFSD analyzed the Green Party platform, inclusive of recent costing from the current PBO - an analysis to evaluate whether the promises could realistically be delivered.

IFSD determined that the May/GP platform failed to make “realistic and credible economic and fiscal projections” and also failed when it came to “responsible fiscal management” and “transparency.”

Quote from: Mostafa Askari, chief economist at the IFSD
One of the major issues was that the billions in spending commitments would require massive revenue tools of about $60 billion per year, which is more than 2.5 per cent of the country’s GDP. This is significant; the proposals would substantially change the way the Canadian economy works. It requires some explanation on how they would do this.

Another serious problem was that the platform failed to provide any kind of background documents to support the fiscal baseline the Greens used to project how they would achieve a balanced budget in five years.

There is no strategy nor is there supporting information to guide the change in fiscal stance other than a large number of proposals. There is no formal commitment to fiscal sustainability over the long run other than verbal commitments made by the party leader

oh the humanity Lizzie - the humanity!  ;D
Quote from: Green Party leader Elizabeth May
The Green Party platform will offer a balanced budget in five years while delivering massive new social programs, like free tuition {which was costed at $16.4 billion in its first year}, and a universal pharmacare plan {costed at $27 billion}.

Our blood, sweat and tears has gone into making sure that we could number-crunch some key promises that we’ve made to Canadians and deliver them


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Re: Election 2019: Do something different!
« Reply #406 on: September 27, 2019, 03:53:53 pm »
When it comes to creating political cartoon against a party that never held more than 2 seats ever, the Conservatives are certainly running scared.

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« Reply #407 on: September 28, 2019, 03:31:05 am »
It's Not Easy Bein' Green, right member squiggy - from the other thread, I'm still waiting for that dance here... will you not lead?  ;D

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Re: Election 2019: Do something different!
« Reply #408 on: September 28, 2019, 09:23:42 am »
It's Not Easy Bein' Green, right member squiggy - from the other thread, I'm still waiting for that dance here... will you not lead?  ;D

be green, be green; so green, so green



Headline:
TMX pipeline cancelled! Liberals and Conservatives join hands and throw themselves into abandoned oil well!

I read the strangest thing today: Conservatives want a Liberal majority, so the TMX can get pushed through.
Hahaahahahaha!

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« Reply #409 on: September 28, 2019, 09:09:56 pm »
the waldo expresses deep regret over that graphic - there are, of course, legitimate persons within the Green Party. Those persons have invested time to be able to speak with degrees of authority around the 'climate file'... in that graphic the waldo was emphasizing the GP 'sheeple' - those 'Johnny/Jane-come-lately' know nothing types so willing to launch themselves with abandon like, like, uhhh... Lizzie!  ;D
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Re: Election 2019: Do something different!
« Reply #410 on: September 29, 2019, 08:43:59 pm »
Isn't there something Canadian about Trudeau marching in the Climate March... when he has the power ?  And Conservatives hating him, but knowing he will save the pipeline ?

And everyone rolling their eyes at it... and voting in a Liberal majority ?

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« Reply #411 on: September 30, 2019, 02:45:02 am »
Headline: TMX pipeline cancelled! Liberals and Conservatives join hands and throw themselves into abandoned oil well!

I read the strangest thing today: Conservatives want a Liberal majority, so the TMX can get pushed through. Hahaahahahaha!
Isn't there something Canadian about Trudeau marching in the Climate March... when he has the power ?  And Conservatives hating him, but knowing he will save the pipeline ?

member Granny, let's not forget NDP/Singh outright mocking the Liberal government climate policies in the face of buying TMX... with the after results actually being quite humourous watching Singh backpedal/dance around the questioning of his apparent willingness to let provinces veto inter-provincial pipeline projects.

a waldo refresher 101... particularly to reign in the hypocrisy of neophyte Green Party supporters:

=> Harper Conservatives 2014 Canada-China FIPA includes a Canadian commitment to build a tidewater pipeline in exchange for the mega tarsands investments that China made/pledged to make
=> {former} Alberta Premier Rachel Notley openly stated the TMX pipeline approval was integral to allowing Alberta to accept a tarsands emissions cap in the form of passed legislation... law... the Oil Sands Emissions Limit Act
=> the tarsands emissions cap became a key element of both Alberta Premier Notley and PM Trudeau’s respective strategies to cut overall carbon emissions
=> without the Liberal government purchase of the TMX pipeline, Kinder Morgan was quite willing to shutter the expansion plan and walk away from the millions of investment dollars it had already spent - that purchase kept the pipeline expansion viable.

=> earlier I presented reputable critiques of the Green Party "Mission Improbable" plan. Critique that stated the GP proposal to cancel all oil imports to Eastern Canada could not be accomplished without a requisite pipeline build to make up the resultant insufficiency cancelling imports would cause. More pointedly, the GP proposal to alternatively refocus on extending domestic use - particularly in the form of billions of investment dollars to build upgraders and refineries - would result in a significant increase to Canada's emission levels.
=> in recent days the PBO released costing for programs the Green Party submitted to the PBO. Until the PBO release it was not publicly known what programs the Green Party had selected for costing from its overall "Mission Improbable" plan. As it turns out, practically all of the key initiatives are missing from the grouping of proposed programs the GP submitted to the PBO. Wait, what... wasn't it Lizzie who repeatedly stated all their proposals would be fully costed by the PBO... seems to me I recall a particular GP supporter here making the same claim!  ;D So, were these key proposals from the GP "Climate Plan" not chosen to be costed by the PBO... cause they're so prohibitive in cost? What's the Green Party hiding, hey member Granny! An extract from a related recent post:

for anyone missing former PBO head Kevin Page, here's a taste as head of The University of Ottawa’s Institute for Fiscal Studies and Democracy (IFSD) - where IFSD analyzed the Green Party platform, inclusive of recent costing from the current PBO - an analysis to evaluate whether the promises could realistically be delivered.

IFSD determined that the May/GP platform failed to make “realistic and credible economic and fiscal projections” and also failed when it came to “responsible fiscal management” and “transparency.”

Quote from: Mostafa Askari, chief economist at the IFSD
One of the major issues was that the billions in spending commitments would require massive revenue tools of about $60 billion per year, which is more than 2.5 per cent of the country’s GDP. This is significant; the proposals would substantially change the way the Canadian economy works. It requires some explanation on how they would do this.

Another serious problem was that the platform failed to provide any kind of background documents to support the fiscal baseline the Greens used to project how they would achieve a balanced budget in five years.

There is no strategy nor is there supporting information to guide the change in fiscal stance other than a large number of proposals. There is no formal commitment to fiscal sustainability over the long run other than verbal commitments made by the party leader

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« Reply #412 on: September 30, 2019, 02:56:20 am »
oh ya Green Party supporters here... in regards that May/GP incessant use of "transition/transitioning to a Green Economy", transition is not a plan, it's a word!  ;D

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« Reply #413 on: September 30, 2019, 03:05:04 am »
the waldo is still waiting member squiggy, the waldo is still waiting!

LOL 

Trudeau has been all talk, no action on climate.
re: action on climate --- of course you have no credibility in this regard... even less than your favoured May/GP. Now the waldo wonders if this is your pissant way of ignoring all the waldo's efforts to showcase the failings of the May/GP "Mission Improbable" plan... and more recently the GP 2019 platform proper. I'm shocked you didn't offer rebuttal comment in either regard - shocked I tells ya! Now, this isn't the thread for it, but if you want to dance, try that dedicated Green Party thread - my latest is still 'hot off the press' there. You can do that, right - say something... say anything? After you've established some sense of credibility on the climate file by actually speaking to your favoured May/GP "Mission Improbable" plan, the waldo will feel inclined to respond... but will first be asking you to speak to what action you believe is missed/lacking in the first PM Trudeau/Liberal term. I mean, c'mon... surely you have something... anything to say other than yet another of your drive-by type nothingness that you've just offered here. Something substantive, something more than just your, "all talk, no action" drive-by nothingness - yes?
c'mon member squiggy! You made a bold statement and I encouraged... challenged... you on it. I even laid down a reminder post for you in that dedicated GP thread... as I said, I tasked you in how you might gain a semblance of credibility on the subject by attempting to support your favoured May/GP "Mission Improbable" plan. And when you did so... do so... the waldo might be inclined to dance further - to engage you on your nothingness drive-by swipe!
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Re: Election 2019: Do something different!
« Reply #414 on: September 30, 2019, 10:39:17 am »
Trudeau gets scolded by a 16 year old who can see through his BS.

But don't worry...  Trudeau is listening...    ;D

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-greta-thunberg-climate-change-action-1.5299674
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"She is the voice of a generation of young people who are calling on their leaders to do more and to do better, and I'm listening," he said.

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« Reply #415 on: September 30, 2019, 06:49:59 pm »
hey member squiggy - didja know there's a dedicated Greta thread!  ;D Now Ms. Greta doesn't know the science - and few should expect her to; so, she's a symbol being propped up by "many".

oh my - are you using a 16-year old symbol as a proxy here... in place of you answering the waldo's challenge to go beyond your drive-by nothingness and actually step up and say something, say anything... to defend the failed May/GP "Mission Improbable" NOTAPLAN! Using a symbolic 16-year old as your proxy stand-in instead of you answering the waldo's challenge to go beyond your drive-by nothingness and actually state what you believe is missing in regards climate change action... missing within the first PM Trudeau/Liberal term?

c'mon member squiggy - do better, be better!  ;D The waldo is still waiting for you... still waiting!

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« Reply #416 on: September 30, 2019, 08:19:16 pm »
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answering the waldo's challenge

Once Waldo stops being an idiot (never happen), then he can expect a response from me.   Until then, Waldo can keep posting the same nonsense.
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« Reply #417 on: September 30, 2019, 08:42:38 pm »
member squiggy - you gots no game! Other than your drive-by nothingness, you gots no ability to discuss/debate/argue the 'climate file'. You perfectly represent neophyte May/GP supporters... so wanting to feel relevant... so wanting to save humanity!  The Green Party has NOPLANMAN! ;D

=> earlier I presented reputable critiques of the Green Party "Mission Improbable" plan. Critique that stated the GP proposal to cancel all oil imports to Eastern Canada could not be accomplished without a requisite pipeline build to make up the resultant insufficiency cancelling imports would cause. More pointedly, the GP proposal to alternatively refocus on extending domestic use - particularly in the form of billions of investment dollars to build upgraders and refineries - would result in a significant increase to Canada's emission levels.

=> in recent days the PBO released costing for programs the Green Party submitted to the PBO. Until the PBO release it was not publicly known what programs the Green Party had selected for costing from its overall "Mission Improbable" plan. As it turns out, practically all of the key initiatives are missing from the grouping of proposed programs the GP submitted to the PBO. Wait, what... wasn't it Lizzie who repeatedly stated all their proposals would be fully costed by the PBO... seems to me I recall a particular GP supporter here making the same claim!  ;D So, were these key proposals from the GP "Climate Plan" not chosen to be costed by the PBO... cause they're so prohibitive in cost? What's the Green Party hiding, hey member Granny! An extract from a related recent post:

for anyone missing former PBO head Kevin Page, here's a taste as head of The University of Ottawa’s Institute for Fiscal Studies and Democracy (IFSD) - where IFSD analyzed the Green Party platform, inclusive of recent costing from the current PBO - an analysis to evaluate whether the promises could realistically be delivered.

IFSD determined that the May/GP platform failed to make “realistic and credible economic and fiscal projections” and also failed when it came to “responsible fiscal management” and “transparency.”

Quote from: Mostafa Askari, chief economist at the IFSD
One of the major issues was that the billions in spending commitments would require massive revenue tools of about $60 billion per year, which is more than 2.5 per cent of the country’s GDP. This is significant; the proposals would substantially change the way the Canadian economy works. It requires some explanation on how they would do this.

Another serious problem was that the platform failed to provide any kind of background documents to support the fiscal baseline the Greens used to project how they would achieve a balanced budget in five years.

There is no strategy nor is there supporting information to guide the change in fiscal stance other than a large number of proposals. There is no formal commitment to fiscal sustainability over the long run other than verbal commitments made by the party leader


member squiggy - in regards that May/GP incessant use of "transition/transitioning to a Green Economy", transition is not a plan, it's a word!

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Re: Election 2019: Do something different!
« Reply #418 on: September 30, 2019, 08:54:33 pm »
Waldo - call the squid THE SQUID. 

Squid - stop calling names.

Annoy each other, please, not the rest of us.

Please.
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Re: Election 2019: Do something different!
« Reply #419 on: October 01, 2019, 11:00:44 am »
Trudeau gets scolded by a 16 year old who can see through his BS.

But don't worry...  Trudeau is listening...    ;D

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-greta-thunberg-climate-change-action-1.5299674
When the market turns ...
WHEN BANKS AND STOCKHOLDERS PULL OUT OF OIL AND GAS ...
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-47-Trillion-Death-Sentence-For-Oil-Gas.html

"The $47 Trillion Death Sentence For Oil & Gas

The future of hydrocarbons is becoming bleak if plans presented by international banks, representing around $47 trillion in value, will be fully implemented.

Around 130 international banks, all present at the UN climate change summit in New York, have committed themselves to decrease their support and investments in the oil and gas sector the coming years. The banking groups have signed the so-called Principles for Responsible Banking, which entails a promise by financial institutions to fully support the implementation of the Paris Agreement, by decreasing hydrocarbon investments while promoting renewables. This statement is going to be a major earthquake for oil and gas companies, threatening upstream and downstream operations worldwide, forcing oil & gas producers to either reduce their impact on the environment or to seek new sources of investment. It is already becoming more difficult for oil and gas companies to find new financing, and on top of this, a large group of institutional investors, representing a value of $11 trillion, are already actively divesting their oil and gas assets."


Mass protests do bring change.
It's already happening.
The oil  and gas industries are becoming financially non-viable.

And this ... A 10% to 30% shift of public subsidies from fossil fuels to renewables tips the balance and will bring a massive global rollout of renewable energy.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/01/fossil-fuel-subsidy-cash-pay-green-energy-transition

“Almost everywhere, renewables are so close to being competitive that [a 10-30% subsidy swap] tips the balance, and turns them from a technology that is slowly growing to one that is instantly the most viable and can replace really large amounts of generation,” said Richard Bridle of the IISD. “It goes from being marginal to an absolute no-brainer.”


It's happening, folks.
I've always believed in the market: When trends and demands change, the market follows. The entrepreneurial spirit will always go where the money is going.

So which political parties are willing to immediately shift 30% of fossil fuel subsidies to renewables?

 https://globalnews.ca/news/5929541/fossil-fuels-not-among-scheers-targets-to-cut-federal-corporate-handouts/

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