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Offline waldo

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Harper's agreement turned out to be a mistake.

with all your fixation and twistin'&turnin' and incorrect interpretation of that 2013 Justin Trudeau statement (before he became PM Trudeau), care to rate that Harper FIPA mistake to the emphasis you put on your intellectually dishonest interpretation of that 2013 statement? Let's say on a 1-10 scale, with 10 being the biggest, as you say, mistake - yes?

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with all your fixation and twistin'&turnin' and incorrect interpretation of that 2013 Justin Trudeau statement (before he became PM Trudeau), care to rate that Harper FIPA mistake to the emphasis you put on your intellectually dishonest interpretation of that 2013 statement? Let's say on a 1-10 scale, with 10 being the biggest, as you say, mistake - yes?

I said I hoped JT had grown out of it. Post #6
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But but Harper.

Harper's agreement turned out to be a mistake.

Again, the meaning of the saying goes right over your head. Whether Mussolini made the trains run on time or not is irrelevant.

The agreement is binding for 31 years from 2014. 31 years.

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The agreement is binding for 31 years from 2014. 31 years.


 I don’t know what options we have but if there are few, that is not good.
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 I don’t know what options we have but if there are few, that is not good.

There is no way for Canada to unilaterally cancel the deal.

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I said I hoped JT had grown out of it. Post #6

apparently... just as you hoped Canada could... would... just "grow out of that 30+ year Harper Conservative FIPA agreement" with China, hey!  ;D

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apparently... just as you hoped Canada could... would... just "grow out of that 30+ year Harper Conservative FIPA agreement" with China, hey!  ;D

Unlike waldo, at least I am not such a slave to partisanship that I can't admit to Conservatives or any other parity making a mistake. They all make them.
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Unlike waldo, at least I am not such a slave to partisanship that I can't admit to Conservatives or any other parity making a mistake. They all make them.

oh really - step-up and admit your {purposeful} partisan mistake in how you attempted to manipulate that 2013 statement - sure you can!  ;D Trains runnin' on time!!! Oh my member wilber, oh my!

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oh really - step-up and admit your {purposeful} partisan mistake in how you attempted to manipulate that 2013 statement - sure you can!  ;D Trains runnin' on time!!! Oh my member wilber, oh my!

wadlo, we all know that Liberals never, ever make mistakes, not ever because the wadlo says so.
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wadlo, we all know that Liberals never, ever make mistakes, not ever because the wadlo says so.

how did I miss this gem! Always a tell when you mess with the wadlo's name!  ;D

by the by member wilber, from yesterday... the following O'Tool tweet: well... are you with him? Well are ya?



(notwithstanding the tweet's first sentence is an outright lie... and we've already dispensed with how he/you purposely manipulate that 2013 statement - context, what context?)

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There's nuance missing to this discussion. China abuses human rights, especially against the Uighur people. The stuff that's been reported lately is appalling. However, how do we go about addressing it? How do we get China to change? Will closer economic ties allow Canada to persuade China on their domestic affairs? Because that's the theory behind greater integration. Greater integration also benefits Canadian industries. So it's a lot more complicated than CHINA BAD, CUT ALL TIES. This is a massively complicated matter.
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This is a massively complicated matter.

It is, and since it is the conversation will be managed by those with PR resources.
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It is, and since it is the conversation will be managed by those with PR resources.
The discourse will be, yeah.

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There's nuance missing to this discussion. China abuses human rights, especially against the Uighur people. The stuff that's been reported lately is appalling. However, how do we go about addressing it? How do we get China to change? Will closer economic ties allow Canada to persuade China on their domestic affairs? Because that's the theory behind greater integration. Greater integration also benefits Canadian industries. So it's a lot more complicated than CHINA BAD, CUT ALL TIES. This is a massively complicated matter.

True but it seems most of the tie cutting has been coming from the Chinese. Certainly, entering into any kind of new economic agreements would be a big mistake and Canadian companies should be very wary of investing in China.
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how much credence are you prepared to give to U.S. 'Trump-era' politicization of claimed infringement on intellectual property... particularly when Trump scuttled the TPP and in so doing... the American/Obama admin led efforts towards including TPP provisional coverage for IP in areas such as patents and pharmaceuticals, copyright, Internet service provider (ISP) liability, and IP rights enforcement? How much credence, hey?

China was never a part of TPP.  Also, China doesn't follow international rules or laws.  But they love signing these kinds of agreements because we're the suckers who abide by them while they steal and counterfeit everything.
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