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So what do we do about it ladies and gents, continue to be patsies?
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2015: O'Tool on the Harper FIPA with China!



The FIPA with China restricts Canada's options on climate change

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You may ask, why would the federal government agree to a FIPA with China that puts an uncertain and uncontrollable price tag on Canada's options to respond to climate change – and other important issues too? Why would the government move power over our future from Canada's legislatures, governments, and courts to Chinese investors and FIPA arbitrators?

I think the straightest answer is that Mr. Harper seems to have wanted it that way. If one accepts climate change as a pressing concern, it is hard to imagine a more epic fail than the FIPA.


now: as the CPC leader, a "changed" O'Tool  ;D

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He {Erin O'Toole} also said that his party will be tough on China: “We will trade freely with free nations and not spend our time chasing trade deals with predatory countries like Communist China.”
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2015: O'Tool on the Harper FIPA with China!



The FIPA with China restricts Canada's options on climate change


now: as the CPC leader, a "changed" O'Tool  ;D

Do we have a "changed" Trudeau since 2015 or does he still admire China?
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Do we have a "changed" Trudeau since 2015 or does he still admire China?

You’re picking nits.

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You’re picking nits.

Not really. waldo claims that O'Toole would stand by what he thought about China in 2015. Would Trudeau do the same? Would waldo claim he does?
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Not really. waldo claims that O'Toole would stand by what he thought about China in 2015. Would Trudeau do the same? Would waldo claim he does?

what claim are you... claiming... I made? I provided a HOC comment O'Tool made in regards the Harper/CPC FIPA with China... while also adding the most recent statement he made concerning trade with China. By the by member wilber, that FIPA has locked-in certain relations between Canada & China. So, of course, you're quite willing to give O'Tool a pass for being a part of the Harper/CPC government responsible for implementing that Canada-China FIPA - of course you are! In any case, feel free to try and carve out a, "what would PM Trudeau do" based on the statement you're taking such liberties with; again:


Maybe waldo still shares his hero's admiration for China's "basic dictatorship". I'm hoping JT has grown out of it.

member wilber, although provided many times previously let me showcase your intellectual dishonesty and provide the full statement/context; made in 2013 before PM Trudeau became PM Trudeau... and I believe, and will stand to be corrected, before PM Trudeau even became the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada:

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There’s a level of admiration I actually have for China, because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say, ‘We need to go green … we need to start investing in solar.'

you opened this up by dredging up that 2013 comment Justin Trudeau made (before becoming PM Trudeau) - yet, somehow, you've chosen to say diddly, to say nuthin, about that Harper/CPC FIPA with China. Go figure, hey! ;D

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Do we have a "changed" Trudeau since 2015 or does he still admire China?

He didn't say that. It's pretty clear what he meant. It's enviable that they can just get things done. Democracy, by comparison, is messy.

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He didn't say that. It's pretty clear what he meant. It's enviable that they can just get things done. Democracy, by comparison, is messy.

And Mussolini made the trains run on time.

I also said in post #6 that I hoped JT had grown out of it.
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And Mussolini made the trains run on time.

I also said in post #6 that I hoped JT had grown out of it.

I agree with him. It's enviable that they can just get things done. It doesn't mean I want a dictatorship, and it doesn't mean that he wants a dictatorship.

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I agree with him. It's enviable that they can just get things done. It doesn't mean I want a dictatorship, and it doesn't mean that he wants a dictatorship.

You should look up, “Mussolini made the trains run on time”. That is exactly what JT was doing whether he meant to or not.
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Anyway, I can just see the Chinese laughing their asses off as they watch Canadians throw partisan rocks at each other while they walk all over us.
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You should look up, “Mussolini made the trains run on time”. That is exactly what JT was doing whether he meant to or not.

I get the reference. It isn't the same reference.

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I get the reference. It isn't the same reference.

it is the same reference. It the same suggestion that because a dictatorship can do something right, dictatorships can't be all that bad.
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it is the same reference. It the same suggestion that because a dictatorship can do something right, dictatorships can't be all that bad.

that's your intellectually dishonest, self-serving, agenda-driven interpretation - nothing more; nothing less. And again, you still refuse to say WORD ONE about the Harper Conservative FIPA agreement between Canada & China. Instead you fixate on this... you use it to deflect away from, to distract away from, that FIPA! Of course you do!

by the by, it's also a myth that Italian trains ran on time... notwithstanding most of the improvement work to the Italian railway system occurred prior to Mussolini's governing. At it's most "pliable" interpretation, that saying might come down to, "something good can result even from the worst of circumstances".

c'mon member wilber, be better/do better!


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that's your intellectually dishonest, self-serving, agenda-driven interpretation - nothing more; nothing less. And again, you still refuse to say WORD ONE about the Harper Conservative FIPA agreement between Canada & China. Instead you fixate on this... you use it to deflect away from, to distract away from, that FIPA! Of course you do!

by the by, it's also a myth that Italian trains ran on time... notwithstanding most of the improvement work to the Italian railway system occurred prior to Mussolini's governing. At it's most "pliable" interpretation, that saying might come down to, "something good can result even from the worst of circumstances".

c'mon member wilber, be better/do better!

But but Harper.

Harper's agreement turned out to be a mistake.

Again, the meaning of the saying goes right over your head. Whether Mussolini made the trains run on time or not is irrelevant.
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