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https://globalnews.ca/news/7075248/canada-china-interference-permissive-target/

This article is frightening

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“China is the No. 1 threat to Canada and has been for some time,” David Mulroney, former ambassador to China, said in an interview.

China has used its economic leverage to secure “the voices” of political and business leaders in Canada with “sweetheart business deals” and “various inducements,” including lucrative board positions or honours in China, he said.  And as a result, Mulroney said he often hears people reciting Beijing’s line on issues such as the extradition case of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou or are silent in the face of China’s mass detention of Uyghurs and incursions on democracy in Hong Kong.

“There are people a lot more senior than I was in government, and they have some serious business links with China,” Mulroney said. “China is very willing to weaponize trade and investment to compel people to say what they want them to say.”
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“Canada is kind of a sleepy and unaware target,” he said. “We don’t have the same kind of vigilance that you now see in places like Australia and New Zealand. That had better change.”
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019

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It is frightening but hardly surprising. Canada has to be one of the most complacent countries in the world when it comes to China's antics. We are dumb enough to think everyone likes us. Also, too afraid of being labeled with the R word.

If nothing else, hopefully the Meng case will have opened our eyes and Canadians will demand more from their governments.
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https://globalnews.ca/news/7275588/inside-the-chinese-military-attack-on-nortel/

Canada is still far too complacent, The RCMP says it still doesn't have the resources to investigate and monitor these activities and Canada still lacks the strong laws on industrial espionage that exist in countries like the US and Australia. There is no criminal law protecting trade secrets or intellectual property in Canada.
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https://globalnews.ca/news/7275588/inside-the-chinese-military-attack-on-nortel/

Canada is still far too complacent, The RCMP says it still doesn't have the resources to investigate and monitor these activities and Canada still lacks the strong laws on industrial espionage that exist in countries like the US and Australia. There is no criminal law protecting trade secrets or intellectual property in Canada.

how much credence are you prepared to give to U.S. 'Trump-era' politicization of claimed infringement on intellectual property... particularly when Trump scuttled the TPP and in so doing... the American/Obama admin led efforts towards including TPP provisional coverage for IP in areas such as patents and pharmaceuticals, copyright, Internet service provider (ISP) liability, and IP rights enforcement? How much credence, hey?
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I think we should give this a lot of credence, and so do our other allies like the UK, Australia, and New Zealand. China isn't our friend, Wuhan Waldo.

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I think we should give this a lot of credence, and so do our other allies like the UK, Australia, and New Zealand. China isn't our friend, Wuhan Waldo.

 -k

It really surprises me that Canada has no criminal law against theft of private intellectual property, only government property. You can rob a company blind and only be subject to civil law.
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I think we should give this a lot of credence, and so do our other allies like the UK, Australia, and New Zealand. China isn't our friend, Wuhan Waldo.

 -k

Maybe waldo still shares his hero's admiration for China's "basic dictatorship". I'm hoping JT has grown out of it.
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how much credence are you prepared to give to U.S. 'Trump-era' politicization of claimed infringement on intellectual property... particularly when Trump scuttled the TPP and in so doing... the American/Obama admin led efforts towards including TPP provisional coverage for IP in areas such as patents and pharmaceuticals, copyright, Internet service provider (ISP) liability, and IP rights enforcement? How much credence, hey?

I think we should give this a lot of credence, and so do our other allies like the UK, Australia, and New Zealand. China isn't our friend, Wuhan Waldo.

member kimmy, such a childish statement is yours! Of course my comment went right over your peanut-brain! Clearly Trump/admin are engaged in iterative trade 'engagements' with China; aka, the most significant Trump politicization of any statements and policies toward China. Once member wilber's article finished dredging up the 2004 Nortel scenario, the article spun into Trump admin claims/statements toward China. Notwithstanding this most overt Trump/admin politicization, I also highlighted the Trump/admin actions in the pulling out of TPP... the resulting remnants, CPTPP, do not include those most pointed and direct provisions intended to deal with IP concerns, broadly and implied towards China. And you want to put credence toward anything coming from Trump/admin? Well, sure... your naivety always leads your way!  ;D
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Maybe waldo still shares his hero's admiration for China's "basic dictatorship". I'm hoping JT has grown out of it.

member wilber, although provided many times previously let me showcase your intellectual dishonesty and provide the full statement/context; made in 2013 before PM Trudeau became PM Trudeau... and I believe, and will stand to be corrected, before PM Trudeau even became the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada:

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There’s a level of admiration I actually have for China, because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say, ‘We need to go green … we need to start investing in solar.'

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member wilber, although provided many times previously let me showcase your intellectual dishonesty and provide the full statement/context; made in 2013 before PM Trudeau became PM Trudeau... and I believe, and will stand to be corrected, before PM Trudeau even became the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada:

It has allowed China to do a lot of other things as well.
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It has allowed China to do a lot of other things as well.

no shyte Sherlock! But that's YOU taking a most pointed comment and applying it broadly to "anything/everything"! As I said, that's your intellectual dishonesty in how you're choosing to use/leverage the initial comment.
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no shyte Sherlock! But that's YOU taking a most pointed comment and applying it broadly to "anything/everything"! As I said, that's your intellectual dishonesty in how you're choosing to use/leverage the initial comment.

Trudeau said it seven months after he became party leader. I’m sure the waldo would be as equally forgiving if a Conservative leader said the same thing. :D
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Maybe waldo still shares his hero's admiration for China's "basic dictatorship". I'm hoping JT has grown out of it.

member wilber, although provided many times previously let me showcase your intellectual dishonesty and provide the full statement/context; made in 2013 before PM Trudeau became PM Trudeau... and I believe, and will stand to be corrected, before PM Trudeau even became the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada:

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There’s a level of admiration I actually have for China, because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say, ‘We need to go green … we need to start investing in solar.'

Trudeau said it seven months after he became party leader. I’m sure the waldo would be as equally forgiving if a Conservative leader said the same thing. :D

no - it's a factual statement... in terms of implementing green tech, yes... China's form of government allows them to readily deploy/invest in green tech! It's only YOU and your cConservative ilk that wants to extend upon a pointed targeted statement and claim it was meant to apply to anything/everything; i.e., YOU showcasing your intellectual dishonest and purposeful misuse of the statement and how it was intended!

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I wonder if those other countries had a PM sign a deal that tied them economically to China until 2045?

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I wonder if those other countries had a PM sign a deal that tied them economically to China until 2045?

given how member wilber railed on about PM Trudeau's 2013 statement, surely he will have much to say about... to criticize about... the Harper/CPC FIPA agreement with China - surely!