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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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Re: Courts quash Trans Mountain pipeline
« Reply #180 on: September 06, 2018, 11:20:03 pm »
Reminder, BC is a small portion of Alberta's total exports, but the Trans Mountain pipeline supplies 90% of BC's petroleum products.  We'll see who cries first. 

Remember that the day after Notley drafted her "turn off the taps" legislation, Horgan and Weaver were in the papers insisting that they'd have injunctions and court challenges ready to file against it.

And part of me really wants to see it happen, just to put an end once and for all to this ignorant bullshit about how BC doesn't need pipelines and BC doesn't need Alberta oil.  Turn off the taps for even two weeks and we will see how much you smarmy, smug lower mainland **** need Alberta oil.

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There is no such thing as “turn off the taps”...  it’s a redneck wet-dream to stick it to the hipsters and hippies in Vancouver.   Will never happen. 
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Re: Courts quash Trans Mountain pipeline
« Reply #181 on: September 06, 2018, 11:22:00 pm »
There is no such thing as “turn off the taps”...  it’s a redneck wet-dream to stick it to the hipsters and hippies in Vancouver.   Will never happen.

Legislation was drafted to do exactly that. And I want to see it used, just to put an end to this "we don't need Alberta oil!" bullshit once and for all.

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Re: Courts quash Trans Mountain pipeline
« Reply #182 on: September 06, 2018, 11:23:07 pm »
Reminder, BC is a small portion of Alberta's total exports, but the Trans Mountain pipeline supplies 90% of BC's petroleum products.  We'll see who cries first. 

Remember that the day after Notley drafted her "turn off the taps" legislation, Horgan and Weaver were in the papers insisting that they'd have injunctions and court challenges ready to file against it.

And part of me really wants to see it happen, just to put an end once and for all to this ignorant bullshit about how BC doesn't need pipelines and BC doesn't need Alberta oil.  Turn off the taps for even two weeks and we will see how much you smarmy, smug lower mainland **** need Alberta oil.

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A major portion of Alberta's revenue comes from oil shipped through BC. BC has a (few) ports, Alberta, not so many. BC could get fuel from alternate sources. Alta., revenue dies. Now who do you think cries first?
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Re: Courts quash Trans Mountain pipeline
« Reply #183 on: September 06, 2018, 11:23:18 pm »
Legislation was drafted to do exactly that. And I want to see it used, just to put an end to this "we don't need Alberta oil!" bullshit once and for all.

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“Turn off the taps” will last about as long as the “ban BC wines” nonsense.   More redneck stupidity.
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Re: Courts quash Trans Mountain pipeline
« Reply #184 on: September 06, 2018, 11:23:34 pm »
Think of all the carbon emissions that would be prevented! Think of the incredible opportunity for GREEN ENERGY!

Aren't you stoked?  I'm stoked! Let's do it!

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Re: Courts quash Trans Mountain pipeline
« Reply #185 on: September 06, 2018, 11:25:49 pm »
“Turn off the taps” will last about as long as the “ban BC wines” nonsense.   More redneck stupidity.

That ban was lifted and could easily be reinstated.

I notice how fast you switched from "we don't need Alberta oil" to "you wouldn't dare."

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Re: Courts quash Trans Mountain pipeline
« Reply #186 on: September 06, 2018, 11:34:29 pm »
So they lose BC as a customer and shut down production...   smart move!   ::)

Damn right, they won't freeze in the dark. If you think BC can get what it needs from Washington, 54% of the product in the existing Trans Mountain goes to refineries in Cherry Point, Ferndale and Anacortes. No jet fuel for YVR, no marine diesel for the Port of Vancouver, no fuel for your vehicle and all the trucks and other machinery that provide the goods and services you need to live.

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Re: Courts quash Trans Mountain pipeline
« Reply #187 on: September 07, 2018, 12:27:07 am »
That ban was lifted and could easily be reinstated.

I notice how fast you switched from "we don't need Alberta oil" to "you wouldn't dare."

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Please point out where I said BC doesn’t need Alberta oil.
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Re: Courts quash Trans Mountain pipeline
« Reply #188 on: September 07, 2018, 05:55:49 am »
A major portion of Alberta's revenue comes from oil shipped through BC. BC has a (few) ports, Alberta, not so many.

Less than 1% of Alberta oil exports go through BC.  Over 99% of Alberta international exports go to the United States. International exports through BC are literally a drop in the bucket.  Almost all of the oil shipped through the existing Trans Mountain pipeline is used in BC.

BC could get fuel from alternate sources. Alta., revenue dies. Now who do you think cries first?

BC could get oil shipped in by tanker... and refine it at the pee-wee sized Burnaby refinery? 

I'm sure that the indigenous people and killer whales will also appreciate a the massive increase in tanker traffic.

Please point out where I said BC doesn’t need Alberta oil.

Right here:

What shuts down in BC if the pipeline does?  A few tankers a day don’t come through?   A few maintenance jobs along the corridor are lost?  THe pipeline is no big deal to BC...  it’s a HUGE deal to Alberta.

You apparently seem to think all BC gets out of the Trans Mountain pipeline is a few maintenance jobs and some tanker traffic. You and what's-his-name apparently don't appreciate that most of the fuel for cars, buses, transport trucks, trains, ships, construction equipment, and everything else that runs in BC also runs on fuel that comes out of that pipeline.

Jason Kenney will probably become Alberta premier in early 2019, and he is just itching to punish BC for blocking the expansion.  We may well get a chance to see whether losing the majority of its fossil fuel supply is "no big deal to BC".  I guess Vancouver can just switch over to "green energy" and run on wheat-grass smoothies if it happens.


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Re: Courts quash Trans Mountain pipeline
« Reply #189 on: September 07, 2018, 01:01:51 pm »
Of course Kenney is going to be Premier...   probably for 30+ years I’m sure...

And he’ll bluster and blow and huff and puff....   and Alberta will snivel about separating and how the rest of Canada is out to get them...  blah, blah, blah....   and the country will carry on, saying soothing things to try and repair Alberta’s hurt snowflake feelings....


Good luck to Alberta negotiating the export of its oil through BC ports when it becomes the Nation of Alberta....  or they can join America...   I hear the healthcare is 2nd to none if you can afford it.   

“Punish” BC though?   Not going to happen.  Another redneck dream for people like Kimmy.   “Damn hippies” 
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Re: Courts quash Trans Mountain pipeline
« Reply #190 on: September 07, 2018, 01:39:13 pm »
Alberta separatism is a myth.   "Turning off the tap" certainly isn't. It's been done before, and can certainly be done again.  And if it helps to dispel the fiction you guys apparently believe about where the fuel for your cars and buses transport trucks and ambulances and ships and trains and planes and construction equipment comes from, then I think it'll be well worthwhile.  However, since this court decision wasn't the BC government's doing, I hope Kenney keeps this option in his back pocket for now.  Once the construction is restarted, the next time Horgan tries to derail the project the "turn off the taps option" should definitely be in play.


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Re: Courts quash Trans Mountain pipeline
« Reply #191 on: September 07, 2018, 01:43:47 pm »
Even after the Trans Mountain Pipeline is expanded, tanker traffic will only account for 4% of sea traffic in the Strait of Georgia.

Those who hail the ruling as a great victory for saving the whales...  what do you plan to do about the other 96% of ships?  As far as the effect on the whales goes, the tanker traffic is a paper-cut on somebody who's bleeding to death from stab-wounds.

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Re: Courts quash Trans Mountain pipeline
« Reply #192 on: September 07, 2018, 01:46:51 pm »
Even after the Trans Mountain Pipeline is expanded, tanker traffic will only account for 4% of sea traffic in the Strait of Georgia.

I believe tonnage and potential impact of spillage are far more important metrics

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« Reply #193 on: September 07, 2018, 01:53:15 pm »
And I believe that the volume of ship traffic has been cited as one of two key reasons that the southern-resident orcas are dying off, with the other being declining salmon. Container ships and freighters generate just as much noise, and put just as much pollution into the water.   But only tankers are subject to environmental review, apparently. Does that seem right?

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« Reply #194 on: September 07, 2018, 02:25:39 pm »
And I believe that the volume of ship traffic has been cited as one of two key reasons that the southern-resident orcas are dying off, with the other being declining salmon. Container ships and freighters generate just as much noise, and put just as much pollution into the water.   But only tankers are subject to environmental review, apparently. Does that seem right?

Again tonnage and potential impact of spill are important metrics you are ignoring. Yes, container and dry bulk carrier ships can be just as large as tankers. I am just pointing out use the tonnage metrics, not just volume. A small tanker has far lower noise and pollution than a large container ship, and visa-versa. The potential impact of a spill depends on the cargo.