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Re: Conservative Party response to Coronavirus
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2020, 03:02:28 pm »
You don't seem to know the difference between a news article and an opinion piece, which has probably led to your perception of "media bias."
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Re: Conservative Party response to Coronavirus
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2020, 03:09:15 pm »
You don't seem to know the difference between a news article and an opinion piece, which has probably led to your perception of "media bias."

Have you ever read the Toronto Star?
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019
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Re: Conservative Party response to Coronavirus
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2020, 04:42:40 pm »
Fife said the Liberals have been spending, spending, spending since they came into power.  Is he wrong?  He also said at some point the taps will have to be turned off.  Nowhere did he mention anything about austerity.  Apparently not spending more money than has ever been spent in Canadian history is "austerity" LOL.  Such a dirty, dirty word.  It's like a swear word!

not surprising you couldn't follow the breadcrumbs! The vid clearly has your boy Fife pining for the return/influence of Harper... that the pandemic crisis is just another Conservative "opportunity" to press for an austerity return - you know, bigGovBad... privateSectorGood! Just keep those corporate tax cuts a comin' and get out of the way of all those trickleDownJobs!

OMG a former NDP candidate writing in the Toronto Star complains about the government possibly cutting spending.  Oh my!

waldo:  I don't like this one so-called biased journalist, here's an article from the NDP in the Toronto Star & CommonDreams.org to prove why bias is bad.  :D

 ;D oh my! How silly you look/read - the waldo cheers another own goal by ConspiracyG... my linked references had no such NDP candidate writing in TorStar!


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Re: Conservative Party response to Coronavirus
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2020, 04:51:27 pm »
not surprising you couldn't follow the breadcrumbs! The vid clearly has your boy Fife pining for the return/influence of Harper... that the pandemic crisis is just another Conservative "opportunity" to press for an austerity return - you know, bigGovBad... privateSectorGood! Just keep those corporate tax cuts a comin' and get out of the way of all those trickleDownJobs!

 ;D oh my! How silly you look/read - the waldo cheers another own goal by ConspiracyG... my linked references had no such NDP candidate writing in TorStar!

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/05/20/lets-not-be-duped-again-deficit-hawks-peddling-austerity

Published on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 by Toronto Star

Linda McQuaig is an author, journalist, and former NDP candidate for Toronto Centre in the Canadian federal election. She is also the author (with Neil Brooks) of Billionaires’ Ball: Gluttony and Hubris in an Age of Epic Inequality, published by Beacon Press.
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019

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Re: Conservative Party response to Coronavirus
« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2020, 05:04:58 pm »
Can Stephen Harper convince Canadians that they need less government?

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When the federal Conservatives choose a new leader and that leader comes up with a plan for post-pandemic Canada, look to Alberta for the template.

It is being designed right now with the help of Stephen Harper and, of course, one of his favourite former cabinet ministers, Alberta Premier Jason Kenney.

The two of them, along with the crème de la crème of Alberta’s old-style corporate power, have already begun laying the groundwork for what will supposedly pull Alberta out of the economic quagmire left by the pandemic and the crash in oil prices.

But it’s becoming clear that they have their sights set well beyond one province.

hey ConspiracyG - the only Toronto Star link I supplied had this journalist as author - Gillian Steward... what lame-azzed reason do you have to dismiss the article... while saying absolutely nothing about it!  ;D

"Gillian Steward is a Calgary-based author and journalist. She currently writes a regular column for the Toronto Star and teaches journalism at Mount Royal University. She was the managing editor at the Calgary Herald from 1987 to 1990 and was the publisher/editor of Alberta Views magazine in 2006/07. In 2014, Ms. Steward completed a PhD in Communication Studies at the University of Calgary."


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Re: Conservative Party response to Coronavirus
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2020, 05:17:09 pm »
No one has said that you can. But there is a pandemic...   so there’s a compelling reason why things had to shut down for a while and every country hit by it has been forced to spend a lot more money than they normally would have if there wasn’t a pandemic.
Isn't the fact that everyone is in the same boat and having to s]print[/s] borrow money at the same time make the spectre of paying it back kind of moot?  I get that the scary numbers look big and scary but if everything is relative to one's debt to GDP ratio and everyone is jacking these up at the same time what difference does it make? Money is not much more than script until we back to some sort of normal functional fiscal state. I suppose I could see the angst if we were competing against the rest of the Solar System and borrowing from aliens or something but...

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Re: Conservative Party response to Coronavirus
« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2020, 05:37:00 pm »
hey ConspiracyG - the only Toronto Star link I supplied had this journalist as author - Gillian Steward...

Are you blind, or a liar?
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019

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Re: Conservative Party response to Coronavirus
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2020, 05:51:55 pm »
Isn't the fact that everyone is in the same boat and having to s]print[/s] borrow money at the same time make the spectre of paying it back kind of moot?  I get that the scary numbers look big and scary but if everything is relative to one's debt to GDP ratio and everyone is jacking these up at the same time what difference does it make? Money is not much more than script until we back to some sort of normal functional fiscal state. I suppose I could see the angst if we were competing against the rest of the Solar System and borrowing from aliens or something but...

We aren't jacking both up at the same time, debt is heading for the stratosphere while GDP is heading for the basement, down 9% in March alone and it isn't going to come back any time soon.
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Re: Conservative Party response to Coronavirus
« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2020, 05:59:42 pm »
If you aren't spending your free gov money on rent, mortgage, groceries, car payments etc. you don't need it.
Maybe people are nervous this crisis is going to go on for longer and are conserving their resources.  And who's to say this isn't a free handout but actually compensation for the ****-up of the century?  I can certainly see why people who have to keep working would feel resentful and as such I think they should all be on a tax holiday and get raises to boot to help keep their morale and incentive up for the duration of this. OTOH I think anyone who has issues with people getting free stuff and who try to make political hay out of that and especially to pressure everyone to get out and risk their life for the sake of the economy quite frankly can go **** up a rope.

Many jurisdictions around the world will almost certainly be buttoning up again this fall, winter and next spring or until we either have a vaccine or an effective treatment against this virus. In addition to making as much as possible while the making is good we have a pretty short window of opportunity to make a lot of rapid preparations for the longer haul that's still ahead us.  If we don't have a better handle on the moral panic over spending/borrowing and we're jerked back and forth between being led to believe help will be there or it's going to be tough titty and everyone for themselves we'll probably have a much bigger crisis of fear and uncertainty on our hands.

This was not our fault but if turning to faulting how people deal with it becomes a political centerpiece of our response then what is an already agonizing shitshow will explode into total chaos and quite likely the depression of the millennium.

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Re: Conservative Party response to Coronavirus
« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2020, 06:02:49 pm »
We aren't jacking both up at the same time, debt is heading for the stratosphere while GDP is heading for the basement, down 9% in March alone and it isn't going to come back any time soon.
Yes GDP is going down my mistake, but that spread is the same everywhere and it's not coming back for anyone else either. So again I say, why should anyone be afraid of being in a poorer boat that's been left behind?

When the tide goes out all the boats go out with it just the way they all moved together when the tide was rising.
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Re: Conservative Party response to Coronavirus
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2020, 07:09:08 pm »
Yes GDP is going down my mistake, but that spread is the same everywhere and it's not coming back for anyone else either. So again I say, why should anyone be afraid of being in a poorer boat that's been left behind?

When the tide goes out all the boats go out with it just the way they all moved together when the tide was rising.

When the tide goes out and all the boats move together it's called a depression.
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Re: Conservative Party response to Coronavirus
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2020, 07:49:11 pm »
In 1993 we had one AAA from DBRS. By 94 DBRS had dropped to AA and Moody's was Aa1. We were headed down the slope.

Are you trying to imply that those are poor credit ratings?

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Re: Conservative Party response to Coronavirus
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2020, 09:07:48 pm »
Are you trying to imply that those are poor credit ratings?

If you ain’t triple ‘a’, you’re a basket case.

   https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_credit_rating


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Re: Conservative Party response to Coronavirus
« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2020, 10:18:15 pm »
Are you trying to imply that those are poor credit ratings?

I'm saying the direction was down. What makes you think they would have stayed there if Chretien and Martin hadn't changed course?
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Re: Conservative Party response to Coronavirus
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2020, 10:55:58 pm »
When the tide goes out and all the boats move together it's called a depression.
Oh well, we can't stop the tide so we might as well at least try to enjoy the ride. I really don't think it needs to be so depressing as people are imagining. There's no alternative to giving up and rolling over?
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