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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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Re: Conservative MP anti-vaxxer conspiratard
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2020, 12:09:50 am »
As far as I understand, pregnant women and children are ineligible to get the vaccine at current. Testing needs to be done first.
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Safety testing was not short changed here. There is only one difference. Normally, the follow people for at least two months post phase 3 to see if there are any long term effects. That is being done here on a rolling basis, and so some people, because of emergency use benefits, will get the vaccine before that is complete.

2 months isn't "longterm".  Testing has always taken years for new vaccines.  The fastest a new vaccine has ever been produced is 4 years for the mumps.  There's also never been a coronavirus vaccine (SARS, MERS etc) because there's been major safety concerns.  I'm not saying it won't be safe, i'm saying testing obviously hasn't been as rigorous with this vaccine, but risks are very low , longterm side-effects for vaccines are very rare.  Ideally they would take more time to test but the risks of producing these vaccines now are far less than not producing them and letting people continue to die from COVID.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616

https://discoveries.childrenshospital.org/covid-19-vaccine/

https://immunizebc.ca/testing-approval-and-monitoring
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Re: Conservative MP anti-vaxxer conspiratard
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2020, 08:45:17 am »
Yes this is what I said.

2 months isn't "longterm".  Testing has always taken years for new vaccines.  The fastest a new vaccine has ever been produced is 4 years for the mumps.  There's also never been a coronavirus vaccine (SARS, MERS etc) because there's been major safety concerns.  I'm not saying it won't be safe, i'm saying testing obviously hasn't been as rigorous with this vaccine, but risks are very low , longterm side-effects for vaccines are very rare.  Ideally they would take more time to test but the risks of producing these vaccines now are far less than not producing them and letting people continue to die from COVID.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616

https://discoveries.childrenshospital.org/covid-19-vaccine/

https://immunizebc.ca/testing-approval-and-monitoring

Two months, from what Iíve been reading, is the normal post vaccination study for side effects before approval. What youíre talking about are long term effects. There are many medications on the market today that may have long term effects that we wonít know until years after approval. Thatís normal. Itís happened before. It doesnít mean that corners have been cut in this case. Never has the world diverted so many resources into getting this done. Never have regulators allowed companies to put forward data on a rolling basis. Health Canada has has been examining safety and efficacy data of the Pfizer candidate vaccine since October, 7 days a week, and in some cases, 24 hours a day.  Normally, this data would be submitted after the two months, in one large lump, and then just left to be analyzed over months - years.

This process is so fast because of two reasons: the inefficiencies have been removed from the system, and the normal funding obstacles and hurdles just donít exist. As a result of all of this, a lot of other research programs will suffer.
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Re: Conservative MP anti-vaxxer conspiratard
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2020, 08:46:11 am »
What am I saying? Itís not that thereís less risk from the vaccine than the virus, itís that thereís virtually none.

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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2020, 10:39:57 am »
Yes this is what I said.

2 months isn't "longterm".  Testing has always taken years for new vaccines.  The fastest a new vaccine has ever been produced is 4 years for the mumps.  There's also never been a coronavirus vaccine (SARS, MERS etc) because there's been major safety concerns.
It is true that there was never a SARS or MERS vaccine approved for use.

There was probably never a vaccine for SARS because it was contained before it could get out of hand, so developing a vaccine now would be a questionable use of resources. And while they have never approved of a MERS vaccine, there has certainly been development work on it (e.g. actual clinical trials), and if it had been as problematic as Covid19 I am sure more resources would have been dedicated to finishing it.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03615911
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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2020, 03:09:50 pm »
It is true that there was never a SARS or MERS vaccine approved for use.

There was probably never a vaccine for SARS because it was contained before it could get out of hand, so developing a vaccine now would be a questionable use of resources. And while they have never approved of a MERS vaccine, there has certainly been development work on it (e.g. actual clinical trials), and if it had been as problematic as Covid19 I am sure more resources would have been dedicated to finishing it.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03615911

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616
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« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2020, 05:28:44 pm »
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616

And yet, eight months after that article was written, it looks like we have several effective vaccines with more on the way.
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Re: Conservative MP anti-vaxxer conspiratard
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2020, 05:39:42 pm »
And yet, eight months after that article was written, it looks like we have several effective vaccines with more on the way.

I'm glad.
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