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BC_cheque:
With H&M poised to burn the monarchy on their way out and our GG bringing all kinds of disgrace to the role, the discussion of Canada's role in the commonwealth is once again all over the place.
This may come as a surprise since I'm a **** lefty, but I'm actually a monarchist. Just wanting to know what you guys think.
Squidward von Squidderson:
The idea that someone should rule over others due to being born into it is abhorrent and immoral. It’s an affront to all things democratic.
Anyone who believes in equality should also believe that no one was born to rule over others, even in a ceremonial fashion. To think otherwise is the worst hypocrisy.
Canada should have ditched the monarchy long ago.
Prince Andrew used his position, wealth and influence to commit atrocities against young women. The latest princess is being vilified for being a different skin colour as the royal ****.
BC_cheque:
The monarchy is nothing but a tradition, and birthright is only one aspect of it. There are many others.
Prince Andrew has been relegated. There is nothing the RF can do, the matter is criminal and not up the RF to do anything about it.
As for H&M, they made a lot of misleading statements. Archie can have the HRH title and all the perks that go with it when Prince Charles becomes monarch. There are specific rules about grandchildren of the monarch having titles.
Also, I believe conversations were had about the colour of Archie's skin and I believe there was animosity in the palace with the Sussexes but I don't think it necessarily follows that the animosity was because of skin colour. If there was, Queen would not have even agreed to the wedding, would not have spent $40 million on it and the palace wouldn't publicly release photos of the Queen with the couple and Meghan's mother.
H&M sound very angry that the palace didn't allow them to keep their roles part-time and they know their only future is through their brand. Harry says he hopes to mend the relationships and that he has so much respect for his grandmother but his actions show a very different story. I don't really trust their motives.
As for Canada, unlike all the other commonwealth nations, we have this specific tie to the Crown because our national identity is one of loyalists who stood and fought for the crown when the colonies that went on to become the USA were trying to conquer us.
Quebec notwithstanding of course, but the crown plays an existential component of the country of Canada. Personally, I'm proud of that tie and would like to keep it that way.
Squidward von Squidderson:
--- Quote from: BC_cheque on March 09, 2021, 11:06:23 am ---The monarchy is nothing but a tradition, and birthright is only one aspect of it. There are many others.
Prince Andrew has been relegated. There is nothing the RF can do, the matter is criminal and not up the RF to do anything about it.
As for H&M, they made a lot of misleading statements. Archie can have the HRH title and all the perks that go with it when Prince Charles becomes monarch. There are specific rules about grandchildren of the monarch having titles.
Also, I believe conversations were had about the colour of Archie's skin and I believe there was animosity in the palace with the Sussexes but I don't think it necessarily follows that the animosity was because of skin colour. If there was, Queen would not have even agreed to the wedding, would not have spent $40 million on it and the palace wouldn't publicly release photos of the Queen with the couple and Meghan's mother.
H&M sound very angry that the palace didn't allow them to keep their roles part-time and they know their only future is through their brand. Harry says he hopes to mend the relationships and that he has so much respect for his grandmother but his actions show a very different story. I don't really trust their motives.
As for Canada, unlike all the other commonwealth nations, we have this specific tie to the Crown because our national identity is one of loyalists who stood and fought for the crown when the colonies that went on to become the USA were trying to conquer us.
Quebec notwithstanding of course, but the crown plays an existential component of the country of Canada. Personally, I'm proud of that tie and would like to keep it that way.
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You brush off the “birthright to rule” issue as if that wasn’t a central component of any monarchy. It is absolutely antithetical to democracy and to equality of all people.
You’re for equality and yet you hold that someone should have a right to rule over someone because of the family they were born into. I find that, not just hypocritical, but an immoral stance.
We’ve been lucky to have Queen E II as our queen for many decades, as far as that goes. What if the Monarch was a piece of crap? Could easily happen. Hell, we nearly had a king who was a Nazi sympathizer!! He abdicated the throne, not because of his support for Hitler, but because marrying the wrong woman was going to be immoral and reflect poorly on the royal family! LOL
And what did they do with him? Arrest him? Treat him like the disgusting traitor that he was? Nope... Shuffled him off to live a life of luxury.
https://www.biography.com/news/edward-viii-wallis-simpson-nazi-sympathizers-hitler
JMT:
Professor Legasse has an interesting proposal. Due to the letters of patent is within the power of Parliament to make the GG a full regent. That means that they would exercise all power and authority of the Queen, making Canada a true Crowned Republic, and avoiding messy fights over official languages and equalization that would inevitably come out of the quest to get 10 provinces and Ottawa to agree on a change. He and I had an interesting chat on one aspect (okay, he had a chat, and I listened):
https://twitter.com/jmt_18325/status/1369383222153510916?s=20
Here is the full article:
https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/january-2020/monarchys-rights-privileges-and-symbols-in-canada-can-be-changed/
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