Author Topic: Canadians love their trucks (Read 412 times)

Omni · « **Reply #15 on:** March 14, 2018, 12:12:27 am »

Quote from: TimG on March 14, 2018, 12:04:09 am

What carbon tax advocates fail to realize is there are only 2 types of carbon pricing: 1) pricing too low to result in any sustained behavioral change and 2) pricing too high that causes the economy to slump.

So far politicians have stuck with 1) - probably because they like being re-elected.

Ah no, in BC carbon taxes have resulted in a reduction in emissions and apparently that has been achieves because people have had behavioral changes in as much as they streamline/plan their trips to be more efficient so they make one trip count were they used to make 2. And it's been mostly revenue neutral since the carbon tax collected is returned through reduction in provincial taxes. You need to get your head out of the sand. Human caused global warming is real.

msj · « **Reply #16 on:** March 14, 2018, 01:27:56 am »

Meh, the global economy is going all cylinders and the price of oil is a fraction of what it would be in prior cycles.

Sshhh, the market is trying to tell us something and I think it is that oil demand isn’t where it’s at.

TimG · « **Reply #17 on:** March 14, 2018, 07:02:17 am »

Quote from: msj on March 14, 2018, 01:27:56 am

Sshhh, the market is trying to tell us something and I think it is that oil demand isn’t where it’s at.

Global oil demand continues its steady upward rise:

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This statistic shows the daily demand for crude oil - including biofuels - worldwide from 2006 to 2017, and a projection for 2018. In 2010, global crude oil demand was 86.4 million barrels per day. Until 2018, it is expected to increase to approximately 99 million barrels per day, the highest global demand .

https://www.statista.com/statistics/271823/daily-global-crude-oil-demand-since-2006/

The oil price is where it is at because of the new supply provided by fracking in the US.

waldo · « **Reply #18 on:** March 14, 2018, 08:24:35 am »

Quote from: TimG on March 14, 2018, 07:02:17 am

Global oil demand continues its steady upward rise

global? Yabut - are you able to comment on 'new world' versus 'old world'... OECD countries versus non-OECD countries?

wilber · « **Reply #19 on:** March 14, 2018, 09:14:58 am »

Quote from: Omni on March 14, 2018, 12:12:27 am

Ah no, in BC carbon taxes have resulted in a reduction in emissions and apparently that has been achieves because people have had behavioral changes in as much as they streamline/plan their trips to be more efficient so they make one trip count were they used to make 2. And it's been mostly revenue neutral since the carbon tax collected is returned through reduction in provincial taxes. You need to get your head out of the sand. Human caused global warming is real.

Some of it may be due to carbon tax but there has been two major Skytrain expansions and the West Coast Express since the tax started. This has taken a lot of commuters off the roads. Vehicles are also becomming more fuel efficient every year, even trucks.

The tax stopped being revenue neutral awhile ago but you knew that was a promise no politician could keep forever.

msj · « **Reply #20 on:** March 14, 2018, 09:31:24 am »

Global oil demand and supply is just another commodity like coal, natural gas, wind or solar.

Such commoditization of energy will allow governments to use market based methods such as carbon taxes to shift the curves towards whatever they want.

That is: the tides of change are blowing in the wind shining a light towards the future if you pardon the puns.

Imagine if oil were at $120 now and gas selling at $2+ per litre across most of Canada.

What does that do to demand for oil vs demand for alternatives? One can only hope for high prices to bring about the solution to high prices.

The joy of EV’s is that they will bring the cheaper energy sources of wind & solar to the transportation market.

No, not all at once and oil will always have a large role in the enrgy mix.

It is slow at first but beware the power of compounding especially when someone can do something “good” for the environment with little to no real sacrifice.

SirJohn · « **Reply #21 on:** March 14, 2018, 09:42:14 am »

Quote from: ?Impact on March 13, 2018, 11:49:30 pm

The motivation is the damage being caused to our environment, dislike for people has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Horse ****. Canada's 1.6% carbon share is not going to have much impact on the overall environment. India is increasing its carbon by the same amount every year with more and more power coal fired plants coming on-line throughout Asia.

People who live in the country usually don't need a pickup to get around. But when they do need it THEY NEED IT. It's not like they can have something delivered for free like in the city. I don't drive a truck. But I could drive a smaller car than the CX5. I don't often need the storage space but when I do it's a huge convenience to be able to get things in there. And anyone who thinks I should drive a small car can stick their holier than thou attitude.

wilber · « **Reply #22 on:** March 14, 2018, 10:17:34 am »

Unless we put huge wind farms off the west coast of Vancouver Island, BC has few areas suitable for wind generation. Our winters are cloudy and days are short, making solar a poor option during the times of year energy is most needed. Ironically, Alberta is more suited to wind and solar and has put a major investment into wind generation. Also ironically, many of the people pumping for EV's are the same ones who tried to kill the Peace River Hydro project.

?Impact · « **Reply #23 on:** March 14, 2018, 12:36:32 pm »

Quote from: SirJohn on March 14, 2018, 09:42:14 am

People who live in the country usually don't need a pickup to get around. But when they do need it THEY NEED IT. It's not like they can have something delivered for free like in the city.

The local feed store will generally deliver all kinds of supplies
Use a trailer
Barter with a neighbour
Pay to have something delivered, the money you save from not having a truck will allow you to do that time and time again and vacation in Italy twice yearly.

TimG · « **Reply #24 on:** March 14, 2018, 05:14:47 pm »

Quote from: ?Impact on March 14, 2018, 12:36:32 pm

the money you save from not having a truck

The money saved by not having a truck depends on how much someone drives. Someone who puts 24K on a vehicle each year would save about $2000. A $50 carbon tax would raise that by 10%. IOW - even a large carbon tax is not likely to provide much incentive to someone who is already willing to spend $2000 more running a vehicle. A trailer often requires a truck or at least a large car (you are asking for trouble hooking a trailer up to a compact car) so the 'trailer' option is not going result in much savings. Also deliveries are not cheap. Getting someone with a truck to haul your stuff will cost at $100-200 each time (in Vancouver at least). Do that once a month and you have already matched the extra cost from gas.

Omni · « **Reply #25 on:** March 14, 2018, 05:47:59 pm »

Quote from: TimG on March 14, 2018, 05:14:47 pm

The money saved by not having a truck depends on how much someone drives. Someone who puts 24K on a vehicle each year would save about $2000. A $50 carbon tax would raise that by 10%. IOW - even a large carbon tax is not likely to provide much incentive to someone who is already willing to spend $2000 more running a vehicle. A trailer often requires a truck or at least a large car (you are asking for trouble hooking a trailer up to a compact car) so the 'trailer' option is not going result in much savings. Also deliveries are not cheap. Getting someone with a truck to haul your stuff will cost at $100-200 each time (in Vancouver at least). Do that once a month and you have already matched the extra cost from gas.

Your trailer comments falls apart pretty quick when you consider the fact you unhook the trailer when you don't need it as opposed to driving around in a gas guzzling Ford 350 etc. all the time. And yes carbon taxes do work. At least they have done here in BC. Even American's have noticed that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/business/does-a-carbon-tax-work-ask-british-columbia.html

wilber · « **Reply #26 on:** March 14, 2018, 05:57:39 pm »

The carbon tax hasn't changed vehicle buying habits in BC. If you look at the link I provided, trucks, vans and SUV's have increased their market share every year since 2013.

Omni · « **Reply #27 on:** March 14, 2018, 06:23:27 pm »

Quote from: wilber on March 14, 2018, 05:57:39 pm

The carbon tax hasn't changed vehicle buying habits in BC. If you look at the link I provided, trucks, vans and SUV's have increased their market share every year since 2013.

It does appear to have changed driving habits though, causing emissions to have been reduced and the tax collected shows back up in reduced provincial taxes.

wilber · « **Reply #28 on:** March 14, 2018, 07:49:47 pm »

Maybe but their choice of vehicle is more important to them.

Omni · « **Reply #29 on:** March 14, 2018, 08:01:57 pm »

Quote from: wilber on March 14, 2018, 07:49:47 pm

Maybe but their choice of vehicle is more important to them.

So we drive what we want but just do it more sensibly and save money and reduce emissions in the process. Gotta love it when plan comes together.

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