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Offline eyeball

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« Reply #210 on: June 10, 2021, 09:38:29 pm »
Quote from: wilber on June 09, 2021, 08:29:12 pm
It's not but it was a Canadian government program so we all bear some responsibility. You just can't walk away from that.
I wasn't, I was simply saying that neither should Britain further to which I said the monarchy should sit down with 1st Nations and rewrite the terms of Confederation and Constitution.

If the Pope can be called upon to offer an apology then so can the Queen. It's her responsibility to do something about the institutions they sicced on Canada and the world.  The worst that can be said of the Church during the colonizing phase was to cheer it on. No one forced England to behave the way they did.
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« Reply #211 on: June 10, 2021, 09:57:52 pm »
Quote from: eyeball on June 10, 2021, 09:38:29 pm
...the monarchy should sit down with 1st Nations and rewrite the terms of Confederation and Constitution.

some perspective, if you might indulge: as an official B.C. provincial government website states, indigenous peoples in British Columbia (First Nations, Inuit and Métis) make up ~4% of the population of B.C.. More pointedly, "There are 198 distinct First Nations in B.C., each with their own unique traditions and history. More than 30 different First Nation languages and close to 60 dialects are spoken in the province.".

as I interpret there is no commonality of views/positions held within/across the most disparate First Nations - relatively recently, that has become most pointedly evident given differing views/positions expressed by First Nations in regards the 'energy file'.

so, particularly given this most disproportionate ~4% number of existing First Nations peoples in B.C., what starting reference points might you consider for, as you say, the rewrite of the terms for Confederation and the Constitution?
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Re: Canadian-Aboriginal Culture
« Reply #212 on: June 10, 2021, 10:20:30 pm »
Quote from: eyeball on June 10, 2021, 09:38:29 pm
I wasn't, I was simply saying that neither should Britain further to which I said the monarchy should sit down with 1st Nations and rewrite the terms of Confederation and Constitution.

If the Pope can be called upon to offer an apology then so can the Queen. It's her responsibility to do something about the institutions they sicced on Canada and the world.  The worst that can be said of the Church during the colonizing phase was to cheer it on. No one forced England to behave the way they did.

The Queen of England is not the Monarch in Canada, the  Queen of Canada is. She does not act for England with regard to Canada. This is our problem whether the Queen is involved or not. Britain did not start the residential schools, Canada did.
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« Reply #213 on: June 11, 2021, 01:22:42 pm »
Quote from: wilber on June 10, 2021, 10:20:30 pm
The Queen of England is not the Monarch in Canada, the  Queen of Canada is. She does not act for England with regard to Canada. This is our problem whether the Queen is involved or not. Britain did not start the residential schools, Canada did.
It's wild how many people don't understand constitutional monarchy as a system of government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_monarchy

Some "light" reading to bring people up to speed on how our government functions.
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« Reply #214 on: June 11, 2021, 01:43:41 pm »
The Queen may say something eventually but that will be decided between her and her first minister, JT.
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« Reply #215 on: June 11, 2021, 06:05:27 pm »
The throne in England sent officials to govern its colonies and to legitimize its basis for governing with treaties signed with indigenous peoples. In the case of much of BC that didn't happen.

England simply didn't have the legal right as an institution to create a clone of itself on unceded lands. Canada is not responsible for the fact it's right to exist is questionable.

Is it fair to wonder if Canada's Confederation violates indigenous peoples' Constitutional rights?
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« Reply #216 on: June 11, 2021, 06:28:59 pm »
Quote from: eyeball on June 11, 2021, 06:05:27 pm
The throne in England sent officials to govern its colonies and to legitimize its basis for governing with treaties signed with indigenous peoples. In the case of much of BC that didn't happen.

England simply didn't have the legal right as an institution to create a clone of itself on unceded lands. Canada is not responsible for the fact it's right to exist is questionable.

Is it fair to wonder if Canada's Confederation violates indigenous peoples' Constitutional rights?

In 1871 there weren't 10,000 non aboriginals in BC.
The residential school system came into existence after 1880, Canada is responsible for them, period.
Canada didn't have a constitution until 1982.
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Re: Canadian-Aboriginal Culture
« Reply #217 on: June 12, 2021, 09:45:35 am »
Quote from: wilber on June 11, 2021, 01:43:41 pm
The Queen may say something eventually but that will be decided between her and her first minister, JT.
It should be decided between the monarchy and 1st nations - Canada should have been created the same way and there's nothing but the lack of imagination and political will that says it can't be recreated by the proper authorities according to their properly established seniority and sovereignty in the scheme of things. .
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« Reply #218 on: June 12, 2021, 09:51:52 am »
Quote from: wilber on June 10, 2021, 10:20:30 pm
The Queen of England is not the Monarch in Canada, the  Queen of Canada is. She does not act for England with regard to Canada. This is our problem whether the Queen is involved or not. Britain did not start the residential schools, Canada did.
Canada did not start Canada. England did. The monarch had no right to create Canada on it's own without 1st Nations consent.
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« Reply #219 on: June 12, 2021, 08:14:31 pm »
Quote from: eyeball on June 12, 2021, 09:51:52 am
Canada did not start Canada. England did. The monarch had no right to create Canada on it's own without 1st Nations consent.

Hence my suggestion Canada re-Confederate now that a more accurate understanding of everyone's legal rights, responsibilities and placement in line exists - 1st Nations, the British Monarchy and us.

I guess we'll have to figure out who represents us and my first choice would be a randomly picked Citizen's Assembly. I'd place political parties dead last on the list but who knows maybe a politician or two will be drafted.
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Re: Canadian-Aboriginal Culture
« Reply #220 on: June 12, 2021, 08:40:18 pm »
Quote from: eyeball on June 12, 2021, 08:14:31 pm
Hence my suggestion Canada re-Confederate now that a more accurate understanding of everyone's legal rights, responsibilities and placement in line exists - 1st Nations, the British Monarchy and us.

I guess we'll have to figure out who represents us and my first choice would be a randomly picked Citizen's Assembly. I'd place political parties dead last on the list but who knows maybe a politician or two will be drafted.

So no democracy, nobody has any say on anything, just a randomly picked group of people?  What's the punishment if they do something dumb or corrupt?
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« Reply #221 on: June 12, 2021, 09:11:14 pm »
Quote from: Gorgeous Graham on June 12, 2021, 08:40:18 pm
So no democracy, nobody has any say on anything, j kiust a randomly picked group of people?
Just like it was in 1867, even more so from a1st Nations perspective.

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What's the punishment if they do something dumb or corrupt?
More of the same. How do you like it so far? Wait until the 70th mass grave is unearthed and feeling like **** and looking like real **** becomes normal.

You figure citizen's assemblies are dictators by default or something?  Slogging thru questions like your's is why this will take a hundred years.

The next 10 - 15 years are going to be just awful.
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Re: Canadian-Aboriginal Culture
« Reply #222 on: June 12, 2021, 09:11:55 pm »
Quote from: Gorgeous Graham on June 12, 2021, 08:40:18 pm
So no democracy, nobody has any say on anything, just a randomly picked group of people?  What's the punishment if they do something dumb or corrupt?

Randomly picked by who?
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« Reply #223 on: June 12, 2021, 09:26:57 pm »
Quote from: wilber on June 12, 2021, 09:11:55 pm
Randomly picked by who?
Picked by what you mean. A bingo tumbler would work.
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« Reply #224 on: June 12, 2021, 10:35:56 pm »
Quote from: eyeball on June 12, 2021, 09:26:57 pm
Picked by what you mean. A bingo tumbler would work.

What if they aren't interested?
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