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« Reply #165 on: June 07, 2021, 07:18:22 pm »
The Pope has refused to apologize because he knows doing so is an admission of guilt which could help groups in Canada to sue Catholic churches in Canada.
The Pope knows there's far far more at stake here - the sort of global apology 1st Nations are demanding of that bastard could cause a revolution in how humans organize their institutions in a way that greatly diminishes their power.  National governments seem to instinctively know it too.

A human revolution that coalesces around indigenous aspirations is probably the most humane way forward.  I suspect the resistance to that revolution will be where it gets bloodiest.

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« Reply #166 on: June 07, 2021, 09:34:18 pm »
That's a misrepresentation of my point because I didn't do this.  I would never deny the seriousness and tragedy of these new revelations of past atrocities or try to underplay it.  I'm speaking of eyeball's knee-jerk reaction towards completely disavowing himself of Canada due to these kinds of revelations.

How can you acknowledge the seriousness of those revelations and then glibly suggest they "move on" and "just let go?"

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Racism, sexism, homophobia etc is a part of the legacy of every single government on earth.  That doesn't excuse it, it just means that our history as a country and a civilization is one of progress from a point where things weren't as just to where we've been on a continual journey over many centuries to rectify this.  Human rights in our society have been progressing since the Magna Carta.  It's logical that who we were as a society 150 years ago wasn't as just as it is today, and that's not a reason to hate our past or ourselves in their entirety, it's just to say there's times where we've been very wrong about some things that have been and still need to be rectified.

And until those wrongs are righted, people will be angry at this whole colonial project, as they should be.


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« Reply #167 on: June 07, 2021, 10:51:05 pm »
How can you acknowledge the seriousness of those revelations and then glibly suggest they "move on" and "just let go?"

And until those wrongs are righted, people will be angry at this whole colonial project, as they should be.

It will be a painful process but we have to eventually. Do you want this to go on forever?

Like he says, no one is leaving.
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« Reply #168 on: June 07, 2021, 10:56:52 pm »
How can you acknowledge the seriousness of those revelations and then glibly suggest they "move on" and "just let go?"

Re-read the entirety of the post where I said those words and the context for which I said them and the post I was responding to.  I certainly never said for anyone not to be angry that they dug up 200+ bodies of dead kids, nor was I even talking about residential schools, I was referring to land being stolen.
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« Reply #169 on: June 08, 2021, 09:39:13 am »
It will be a painful process but we have to eventually. Do you want this to go on forever?

Like he says, no one is leaving.

As the old joke says: "what do you mean 'we,' white man?"


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« Reply #170 on: June 08, 2021, 09:43:45 am »
Re-read the entirety of the post where I said those words and the context for which I said them and the post I was responding to.  I certainly never said for anyone not to be angry that they dug up 200+ bodies of dead kids, nor was I even talking about residential schools, I was referring to land being stolen.

There are hundreds of unsettled land claims in Canada. This is happening right now. Or remember the settler violence against the Mi'kmaq fisheries last year that took place while the RCMP looked on?

Stolen people, stolen land, it's all the same issue and neither is close to being resolved so, again, expecting people to just give up and move on is an exceedingly privileged position to take.
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« Reply #171 on: June 08, 2021, 10:52:48 am »
As the old joke says: "what do you mean 'we,' white man?"

We means everyone.
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« Reply #172 on: June 08, 2021, 10:54:24 am »
There are hundreds of unsettled land claims in Canada. This is happening right now. Or remember the settler violence against the Mi'kmaq fisheries last year that took place while the RCMP looked on?

Stolen people, stolen land, it's all the same issue and neither is close to being resolved so, again, expecting people to just give up and move on is an exceedingly privileged position to take.

No one is going to give up but things will have to be resolved at some point.
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« Reply #173 on: June 08, 2021, 11:46:44 am »
We means everyone.

Who are you to tell anyone else how they should feel/act?
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« Reply #174 on: June 08, 2021, 11:47:30 am »
No one is going to give up but things will have to be resolved at some point.

And until they are, people have every right to be pissed. Thanks for coming out.

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« Reply #175 on: June 08, 2021, 01:51:25 pm »
Who are you to tell anyone else how they should feel/act?

I'm not telling anyone how to feel or act.

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And until they are, people have every right to be pissed. Thanks for coming out.

Some people would rather always be pissed than actually work toward a conclusion. Are you one of them?

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« Reply #176 on: June 08, 2021, 02:18:46 pm »
There are hundreds of unsettled land claims in Canada. This is happening right now. Or remember the settler violence against the Mi'kmaq fisheries last year that took place while the RCMP looked on?

Stolen people, stolen land, it's all the same issue and neither is close to being resolved so, again, expecting people to just give up and move on is an exceedingly privileged position to take.

I never said for people to give up on land claims.  As I've said, justice should be served.

This week the statue of Ryerson at Ryerson University was toppled by protestors.  Behind the statue they spray-painted "Go Home!  Back where you came from. Me and my girls hate colonizers".  This kind of useless hatred is what I'm talking about.  Nobody is "going back home".  Canada has been colonized so we need to learn to live together while giving justice to those wronged.  Lots of #CancelCanadaDay hashtags are going around too, it's not productive, in fact its counter-productive and divisive.  You can celebrate your country while also condemning parts of its past or present.
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« Reply #177 on: June 08, 2021, 02:23:24 pm »
I never said for people to give up on land claims.  As I've said, justice should be served.

This week the statue of Ryerson at Ryerson University was toppled by protestors.  Behind the statue they spray-painted "Go Home!  Back where you came from. Me and my girls hate colonizers".  This kind of useless hatred is what I'm talking about.  Nobody is "going back home".  Canada has been colonized so we need to learn to live together while giving justice to those wronged.  Lots of #CancelCanadaDay hashtags are going around too, it's not productive, in fact its counter-productive and divisive.  You can celebrate your country while also condemning parts of its past or present.

If Russia had taken over Canada, and your family was abused in Russian residential schools, would you be happy about celebrating Russia Day?  Or would you graffiti some statues of Stalin?
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« Reply #178 on: June 08, 2021, 02:33:34 pm »
I never said for people to give up on land claims.  As I've said, justice should be served.

This week the statue of Ryerson at Ryerson University was toppled by protestors.  Behind the statue they spray-painted "Go Home!  Back where you came from. Me and my girls hate colonizers".  This kind of useless hatred is what I'm talking about.  Nobody is "going back home".  Canada has been colonized so we need to learn to live together while giving justice to those wronged.  Lots of #CancelCanadaDay hashtags are going around too, it's not productive, in fact its counter-productive and divisive.  You can celebrate your country while also condemning parts of its past or present.

So in other words, you want them to smile, shut up and play nice and wait for Canada to resolve the many outstanding issues it has. Because that's worked so well for the last 150+ years.
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« Reply #179 on: June 08, 2021, 02:35:39 pm »
I'm not telling anyone how to feel or act.

When you say "we" have to set aside our anger move on, that's exactly what you're doing.

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Some people would rather always be pissed than actually work toward a conclusion. Are you one of them?

You can be angry and still be part of the solution. Anger is productive, anger motivates.

Man, respectability politics are the worst.
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