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Offline eyeball

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« Reply #135 on: June 05, 2021, 10:00:26 am »
So you wash your hands of Canada. This is no longer your problem. Nice.
If we all did that, the problem could be solved.

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« Reply #136 on: June 05, 2021, 10:59:47 am »
and your diehard anti-establishment shtick is becoming quite boringly old!
It's still in its infancy compared to the olde fashioned systemic secrecy at the core of our governance.  I'm not anti-establishment I'm simply anti-secrecy regarding our governance and our public domains. Oh, wait a minute, I guess you're right, that does make me anti-establishment.

Apparently, to you, referencing a formal accounting of the federal government's status/progression on the TRC's 94 Calls to Action recommendations is... "accountability challenged"! Go figure, hey!
No, to me it's just boring olde run-of-the-mill self-serving sycophancy.

answer to reporter's question asked at a June 4th new briefing:

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Just this week in parliament, we officially created the national day for truth and reconciliation. Weíve moved forward so that our citizenship oath now includes recognition of indigenous peoples. And the UN declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples has made it through the House and I call on the Senate to ensure that it passes very soon. Overall, 80% of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission calls to action that fall under our governmentís responsibility are completed or well underway. This is progress, but there is much more to do. Thatís why weíre giving more control to indigenous communities over healthcare, as well as making sure there are fewer indigenous peoples in the criminal justice system. Indigenous peoples across the country should feel safe and respected and should have a real and fair chance at success. Together, this is the future we must all build.

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« Reply #137 on: June 05, 2021, 12:05:47 pm »
If we all did that, the problem could be solved.

Who would solve it if everyone checked out? Checking out is just ignoring.
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« Reply #138 on: June 05, 2021, 02:00:19 pm »
Who would solve it if everyone checked out? Checking out is just ignoring.
The new government of our new country. I'm not ignoring the need for good government - my aim is to finally establish one.

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« Reply #139 on: June 05, 2021, 02:41:08 pm »
The new government of our new country. I'm not ignoring the need for good government - my aim is to finally establish one.

Great but that doesn't do anything for the issue at hand. Do you think FN should wait another 100 years or however long it takes for us to build one? What part would they have in it?
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« Reply #140 on: June 05, 2021, 07:40:02 pm »
Great but that doesn't do anything for the issue at hand. Do you think FN should wait another 100 years or however long it takes for us to build one? What part would they have in it?
They should have the most important one's. I've suggested foreign policy, which I believe to be just about the most important function of a government, representing us and interacting with other countries and peoples.  That would come after the first issue at hand though which would be founding a new country and government and more importantly a new basis for them. 1st Nations should be given preeminence in shaping that basis for the same reason they have preeminence in fisheries - they were simply here first. I wouldn't doubt if it does take a hundred years too - in fact I have serious expectations that our sustainability issues with the planet will more likely overwhelm human civilizations and kick us into a centuries long interregnum and a New Dark Age.  That said finding new ways of organizing and governing ourselves might be the only way to avoid a global collapse.

In any case and as to your question I think it would be more appropriate to ask what part we have in it.  I think in accordance with our status as colonists and the process by which Canada was originally created the foundational basis for our country should be negotiated between First Nation's and our Commonwealth's Monarch.  We'd basically be spectators until such time as these had determined what part 'our' nation would have in it and we were invited to bring our values to the table for consideration and inclusion in a new confederation.  Our concerns will not be ignored, we're facts on the ground and we're not going anywhere.

Of course we can expect the usual suspects to snort that a country preeminently based on 1st Nations values will be as savage as they were in the past and dictatorial and no doubt communist - the fear of communism always gets the rubes doesn't it? But I seriously doubt that because I believe that thru their suffering and experience they have a much greater appreciation for the utility of the magic words (do unto others yadda yadda) than us, and most certainly our religions, and as such I think could be expected to deeply incorporate the importance of these words into the basis for our country and governance moving forward.  We could all benefit from shaping our revolution around indigenous aspirations.

I recall at a public meeting during treaty negotiations when a local chief addressed a common fear being expressed by saying "there's nothing to be gained by anyone if we simply transfer the poverty and powerlessness of my village to your's". That was over 20 years ago and the treaty has been one of the biggest economic drivers in our region ever since.
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« Reply #141 on: June 05, 2021, 08:40:15 pm »
So you want sit by and do nothing until the Queen sorts it out?
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« Reply #142 on: June 05, 2021, 09:18:07 pm »
So you want sit by and do nothing until the Queen sorts it out?
Sure, that's what I said.
 
Anyways we'll see where things stand over the next couple or three years of one mass grave after another and thousands of thousands of kids bodies are unearthed. Let me guess I bet you imagine this issue pales before Canada's national debt.

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« Reply #143 on: June 05, 2021, 10:58:42 pm »
Sure, that's what I said.
 
Anyways we'll see where things stand over the next couple or three years of one mass grave after another and thousands of thousands of kids bodies are unearthed. Let me guess I bet you imagine this issue pales before Canada's national debt.

And if it does? We just wash our hands of it and leave it to the Queen? The schools were started after Confederation. Canada had home rule, you can't hang it on the Brits.
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« Reply #144 on: June 05, 2021, 11:47:10 pm »
And if it does? We just wash our hands of it and leave it to the Queen? The schools were started after Confederation. Canada had home rule, you can't hang it on the Brits.
You can hang colonization on the Brits and the monarchs who've washed their filthy bloody hands of it.  Brits gave Canada home rule and left it up to us to subjugate the natives.  It was pointed out here a while back that Canada's indigenous peoples are probably Canada's staunchest monarchists. Apparently because they know its where the real pavement is that the rubber of sovereignty hits.  If Canada became a republic indigenous people would have to resort to war.

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« Reply #145 on: June 06, 2021, 08:51:53 am »
You can hang colonization on the Brits and the monarchs who've washed their filthy bloody hands of it.  Brits gave Canada home rule and left it up to us to subjugate the natives.  It was pointed out here a while back that Canada's indigenous peoples are probably Canada's staunchest monarchists. Apparently because they know its where the real pavement is that the rubber of sovereignty hits.  If Canada became a republic indigenous people would have to resort to war.

It gave you this country and the life you have enjoyed. You canít just enjoy the benefits while blaming the costs on others.

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« Reply #146 on: June 06, 2021, 09:37:25 am »
It gave you this country and the life you have enjoyed.
Except it wasn't their's to give.

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You canít just enjoy the benefits while blaming the costs on others.
You can? I guess that's the difference between us.

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« Reply #147 on: June 06, 2021, 10:54:19 am »
Except it wasn't their's to give.
You can? I guess that's the difference between us.
You have no problem with receiving it.
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« Reply #148 on: June 06, 2021, 02:02:57 pm »
You have no problem with receiving it.
Well, clearly I do Wilber. You're either not paying any attention whatsoever to what I've been saying or you simply don't want to. Is it because it offends you that your institutions are being put on the defensive?  I'm pretty sure you know the difference between right and wrong but apparently you can't abide having it rubbed in Canada's nose - you're either to proud or so shocked you can't let go of or relax your attachment to the home rule we received.  You're afraid of losing something when in actual fact all I'm suggesting is that we reframe how we received it so that it is established on a more ethical and moral foundation.

Canada is like a building constructed on permafrost. It looked solid at first and seemed to hold up for quite some time but apparently no one imagined a day when the ground might shift and reveal our country's old young skeletons and topple our illusions.  Actually it's more accurate to say we built the place on a mass grave and you're trying to wash your hands of it.
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« Reply #149 on: June 06, 2021, 03:05:01 pm »
Well, clearly I do Wilber. You're either not paying any attention whatsoever to what I've been saying or you simply don't want to. Is it because it offends you that your institutions are being put on the defensive?  I'm pretty sure you know the difference between right and wrong but apparently you can't abide having it rubbed in Canada's nose - you're either to proud or so shocked you can't let go of or relax your attachment to the home rule we received.  You're afraid of losing something when in actual fact all I'm suggesting is that we reframe how we received it so that it is established on a more ethical and moral foundation.

Canada is like a building constructed on permafrost. It looked solid at first and seemed to hold up for quite some time but apparently no one imagined a day when the ground might shift and reveal our country's old young skeletons and topple our illusions.  Actually it's more accurate to say we built the place on a mass grave and you're trying to wash your hands of it.

I'm not offended of afraid of losing something, i'm just saying you can't disassociate yourself from this.
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