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Offline Black Dog

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« Reply #105 on: June 03, 2021, 01:30:10 pm »
Why are you talking about apologies if there is no guilt involved?

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We are apologizing all the time. What does an apology from a PM mean if they aren't speaking for you? We can acknowledge bad things happened in the past and try and make them right without taking personal responsibility for them.

So when Harper apologized for residential schools on behalf of the government and all Canadians, you think he was saying he, you, me and everyone else, personally, were responsible for what happened?
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« Reply #106 on: June 03, 2021, 01:44:47 pm »
Seriously…. What a dumb question.  You don’t understand what a country is and the difference between a country apologizing versus individuals apologizing? 

Now you’re just playing stupid word games. 

Maybe answer the question I asked and we can explore the differences.

Well who are they apologizing for, 10 million sq km of geography?
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« Reply #107 on: June 03, 2021, 02:28:52 pm »
Well who are they apologizing for, 10 million sq km of geography?

The government ?
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« Reply #108 on: June 03, 2021, 02:40:35 pm »
Wilber heard someone say "I'm sorry for your loss" at his grandma's funeral and called the cops to report a murder.
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« Reply #109 on: June 03, 2021, 02:42:23 pm »
The government ?

What is the government?

I think it is appropriate that we recognize unjust things were done in the past and it is our responsibility to try and make amends to the group in general and the victims in particular but I don't see much point in apologies because I don't think they mean a lot unless they come from the actual perpetrators. Just my opinion.
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« Reply #110 on: June 03, 2021, 02:52:20 pm »
…I don't see much point in apologies because I don't think they mean a lot unless they come from the actual perpetrators. Just my opinion.

Maybe ask the victims if they think an apology is important…
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« Reply #111 on: June 03, 2021, 03:02:57 pm »
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Maybe ask the victims if they think an apology is important…

As I said it is just my opinion.  If they like them fine, I just don't see much sincerity in them. Actions are what will count in the long run.



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« Reply #112 on: June 03, 2021, 05:13:29 pm »
Talk is cheap waldo, it doesn't matter what those Liberals said or did not say. they ignored the issue as well.

Liberal Prime Ministers: Pearson & Trudeau governing from 1963-1979

from the TRC final report itself:

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The road to closure, 1969

In 1968, the federal government drastically restructured the residential school system by dividing the schools into residences and day schools, each with a principal or administrator. In June of the following year, the federal government took direct control over all the schools in southern Canada. Because churches were allowed to continue to appoint the residence administrators, their presence continued in many schools in the coming years. They were, however, no longer directly responsible for the facilities.
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Having assumed control over the southern Canadian schools in 1969, the federal government commenced what would prove to be a protracted process of closing the system down. According to the Indian Affairs annual report for 1968–69, the department was responsible for sixty residences. Two years later, the number was down to forty-five.

Actions are what will count in the long run.

actions member wilber - actions?

according to the final report of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, the previous Conservative government of Stephen Harper stymied the search for children who died throughout the over century-long existence of Indian residential schools:


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« Reply #113 on: June 03, 2021, 06:16:05 pm »
Yet six years after Harper it finally took 215 bodies to get a federal government to act.
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« Reply #114 on: June 03, 2021, 08:24:09 pm »
Statues and tavern names and apologies and flags at half mast mean virtually nothing, just completely symbolic, doesn't change any material conditions of aboriginals in any way.

My honest opinion most aboriginals are straight effed.  If they stay where they live now they live in the boonies away from industry and jobs, there's little future in many of these places.  But if they move to the cities for jobs they'll just assimilate and lose their cultures.  There's no happy ending.

I've known lots of white small town backwoods riff-raff.  They're uneducated, a lot of them commit petty crimes like shoplifting, most don't have a lot of money, sometimes their teeth are disgusting because they don't go to the dentist, some don't take care of their property at all.  A lot of aboriginals on reserves are small town riff-raff even more isolated than most white riff-raff, plus the trauma of everything on top of that.  We can do a lot more to help them I think but at the end of the day it's spending money on isolated rural folk and most of them will remain fairly poor compared to most Canadians unless they move away and get into cities and bigger industries.
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Re: Canadian-Aboriginal Culture
« Reply #115 on: June 03, 2021, 09:46:19 pm »
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Statues and tavern names and apologies and flags at half mast mean virtually nothing…

Have you asked the victims what it means to them to attend a school named after the person who victimized their relatives?   Or to see a statue of your oppressors? 

Do you think you might have a different opinion if you were indigenous?
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« Reply #116 on: June 03, 2021, 11:29:06 pm »
How far into the future does the pain of the innocent radiate?

7 generations, per First Nations culture.  So calculatng from  when the last residential school closed, about 2136.


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« Reply #117 on: June 03, 2021, 11:58:55 pm »
Why are you talking about apologies if there is no guilt involved?

I don't understand this concern with apologizing. if I  realize I've wronged someone, I feel guilty until I admit my wrongdoing and apologize.  The apology is part of amending the relationship.   I don't know how one could fix a serious screw up without an apology, actually.

I don't feel personally responsible for what happened to the FN people before my time.  Nonetheless, I want my country - through its leadership - to make amends to them.  It's just the right thing to do, imo. 

As individuals, I guess we each have to decide how much amending we'll do on our own. 
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« Reply #118 on: June 04, 2021, 12:25:10 am »
Yet six years after Harper it finally took 215 bodies to get a federal government to act.

again, the federal Liberal government has accepted all 94 Calls to Action of the TRC... and, since 2016, committing (and budgeting) more than $50 million while pursuing implementation of the TRC recommendations as a partnership undertaking involving all stakeholders!

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« Reply #119 on: June 04, 2021, 01:02:20 am »
What is Canada if it isn't its citizens?
I'm not Canada and I don't want to be associated with it anymore because I don't like how it reflects on me.

This is my own personal manifesto. I'm rejecting the nationality I was assigned at birth. I've felt like I've been living a lie and not as who and what I am nearly all my life and now I'm a human being from Earth. I'm still very much where I've always been from, Earth. I'm an Earthling, not even 1st Nations can tell me to go somewhere else or back to where I came from.

Ya'll get your stupid nations off my planet.

Thank you.