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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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« Reply #225 on: June 12, 2021, 11:23:03 pm »
What if they aren't interested?

You'd have to give them an offer $$$ they couldn't refuse.
I can tell how good of a person you are by how you treat the people you disagree with.

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« Reply #226 on: June 12, 2021, 11:32:14 pm »
Just like it was in 1867, even more so from a1st Nations perspective.
More of the same. How do you like it so far? Wait until the 70th mass grave is unearthed and feeling like **** and looking like real assholes becomes normal.

I don't think any of us should be surprised by these mass unmarked graves.  We've already known this happened a lot.  It's like all of a sudden this has become real for a lot of people.  Why do we need unmarked graves to be discovered to know what we already know and cause outrage?  We should already be outraged.

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You figure citizen's assemblies are dictators by default or something?  Slogging thru questions like your's is why this will take a hundred years.

Democracy is annoying sometimes yes.  If you're going to change the entire political system there will be questions.

I'm saying if our policy makers are random then so will our policy.  There will be no voting and no input from the public.  People will be powerless, and public opinion won't sway policy makers because they aren't elected.

Also, do you think 100 years ago citizen assemblies would have treated residential schools any differently than MP's did?  I doubt it.  It's not like MP's were more racist than the general public back then.
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« Reply #227 on: June 13, 2021, 12:01:49 am »
Hence my suggestion Canada re-Confederate now that a more accurate understanding of everyone's legal rights, responsibilities and placement in line exists - 1st Nations, the British Monarchy and us.

asking again:

some perspective, if you might indulge: as an official B.C. provincial government website states, indigenous peoples in British Columbia (First Nations, Inuit and Métis) make up ~4% of the population of B.C.. More pointedly, "There are 198 distinct First Nations in B.C., each with their own unique traditions and history. More than 30 different First Nation languages and close to 60 dialects are spoken in the province.".

as I interpret there is no commonality of views/positions held within/across the most disparate First Nations - relatively recently, that has become most pointedly evident given differing views/positions expressed by First Nations in regards the 'energy file'.

so, particularly given this most disproportionate ~4% of the population number of existing Indigenous peoples in B.C., what starting reference points might you consider for, as you say, the rewrite of the terms for Confederation and the Constitution?
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« Reply #228 on: June 13, 2021, 12:40:42 am »
What if they aren't interested?
You mean all of them? Enough will be. That will motivate those who'd wish the whole thing just go away.

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« Reply #229 on: June 13, 2021, 12:50:20 am »
asking again:
They were here first...for the umpteenth time.

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« Reply #230 on: June 13, 2021, 01:38:15 am »
the monarchy should sit down with 1st Nations and rewrite the terms of Confederation and Constitution.
Hence my suggestion Canada re-Confederate

some perspective, if you might indulge: as an official B.C. provincial government website states, indigenous peoples in British Columbia (First Nations, Inuit and Métis) make up ~4% of the population of B.C.. More pointedly, "There are 198 distinct First Nations in B.C., each with their own unique traditions and history. More than 30 different First Nation languages and close to 60 dialects are spoken in the province.".

as I interpret there is no commonality of views/positions held within/across the most disparate First Nations - relatively recently, that has become most pointedly evident given differing views/positions expressed by First Nations in regards the 'energy file'.

so, particularly given this most disproportionate ~4% number of existing First Nations peoples in B.C., what starting reference points might you consider for, as you say, the rewrite of the terms for Confederation and the Constitution?

They were here first...for the umpteenth time.

and this means what... exactly in regards your repeated calls for a, "rewrite of the terms of Confederation and Constitution"... that, as you say, "Canada reConfederate". Means what exactly?

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« Reply #231 on: June 13, 2021, 01:46:54 am »
I don't think any of us should be surprised by these mass unmarked graves.  We've already known this happened a lot.  It's like all of a sudden this has become real for a lot of people.  Why do we need unmarked graves to be discovered to know what we already know and cause outrage?  We should already be outraged.
Nearly half of Canadians never learned about residential schools as students: survey
https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/british-columbia/2020/8/28/1_5083723.html

Add to this the number of Canadians who forgot or don't care. I also wonder how many new Canadians are told ...."oh and by the way"... during their orientation, not many I suspect.

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Democracy is annoying sometimes yes.
Yeah almost as annoying as justice.

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If you're going to change the entire political system there will be questions.

I'm saying if our policy makers are random then so will our policy.  There will be no voting and no input from the public.  People will be powerless, and public opinion won't sway policy makers because they aren't elected.
Well you know me. I'd probably trust the legal details to experts but just ensure they incorporate the normal human values you can expect a couple of thousand ordinary Canadians in various assemblies to bring to the table. One for each province and territory let's say.

What do you mean change the entire political system? You make it sound like I'm taking about deciding to be communists or something. What changes do you imagine people will notice in their day to day lives?  I still think fewer lying politicians will be the biggest thing.  You're afraid you'll be forced to learn a 1000 official indigenous languages or something?

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Also, do you think 100 years ago citizen assemblies would have treated residential schools any differently than MP's did?  I doubt it.  It's not like MP's were more racist than the general public back then.
I have nothing but contemp for this sentiment and attitude. I think 100 years ago that everyone, and especially our most important institutions, knew better than to behave like unconscionable assholes. They knew full well, let me repeat that, they knew full well, that doing unto others as they'd have others do unto them was the appropriate way to behave. You seriously imagine it would be impossible to give this  better expression in a 21st century re-Confederation?

Only if we leave everything up to politicians and their effing parties.


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« Reply #232 on: June 13, 2021, 01:54:01 am »
and this means what... exactly in regards your repeated calls for a, "rewrite of the terms of Confederation and Constitution"... that, as you say, "Canada reConfederate". Means what exactly?
That we weren't here first. Are you stupid or just a slimy Liberal trying to be disingenuous?

Get lost in any case.  You have no business being in a discussion involving official accountability. Absolutely no business whatsoever.

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« Reply #233 on: June 13, 2021, 12:56:18 pm »
They were here first...for the umpteenth time.
and this means what... exactly in regards your repeated calls for a, "rewrite of the terms of Confederation and Constitution"... that, as you say, "Canada reConfederate". Means what exactly?

That we weren't here first. Are you stupid or just a slimy Liberal trying to be disingenuous?

Get lost in any case.  You have no business being in a discussion involving official accountability. Absolutely no business whatsoever.

yours is such an odd uncalled for reaction to a respectfully (multiple times) asked request for you to actually address your most broad calls to, as you say, "rewrite the terms of Confederation and Constitution"... that as you say, "Canada reConfederate" - how strange that you would react so!

you're the one speaking to a "rewrite of terms", yet, for some reason you choose to insult rather than offer some degree... any degree... of particulars/details of those terms that you personally would expect in said redo/rewrite! You're the one repeatedly speaking to the need for accountability - but apparently only for others, certainly not of yourself - yes?

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« Reply #234 on: June 13, 2021, 01:46:21 pm »
You mean all of them? Enough will be. That will motivate those who'd wish the whole thing just go away.

But you wouldn't question the motives of those who want to do it?
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« Reply #235 on: June 13, 2021, 03:42:47 pm »
as an official B.C. provincial government website states, indigenous peoples in British Columbia (First Nations, Inuit and Métis) make up ~4% of the population of B.C.. More pointedly, "There are 198 distinct First Nations in B.C., each with their own unique traditions and history. More than 30 different First Nation languages and close to 60 dialects are spoken in the province.".

as I interpret there is no commonality of views/positions held within/across the most disparate First Nations - relatively recently, that has become most pointedly evident given differing views/positions expressed by First Nations in regards the 'energy file'.

per StatsCan, a correction/update; one more directly in line with the latest census data; in regards to British Columbia:

=> ~64% of all Indigenous people in B.C. and 3.8% of the overall population identify as First Nations --- of which 72.8% had Registered or Treaty Indian status. Of these ~126,000 First Nations people with Registered or Treaty Indian status, ~40% lived on reserve, while the rest lived off reserve.
 
=> ~33% of Indigenous people in B.C. identify as Métis (2.0% of the overall population); of mixed Indigenous and European ancestry.

=> ~0.6% of B.C.’s Indigenous population identify as Inuit


per StatsCan, in line with the latest census data, in regards to Canada; Indigenous peoples in Canada (First Nations, Inuit and Métis) make up 4.9% - ~1.675 million of the population of Canada. Of these, persons further identify as:

=> First Nations (~58%); of which ~76% had Registered or Treaty Indian status... of which ~39% lived in rural Canada areas
=> Métis (~35%)
=> Inuit (~4%)

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« Reply #236 on: June 19, 2021, 07:16:28 pm »
But you wouldn't question the motives of those who want to do it?
Of course I would.  That's one of the main reasons why I've put in 30 years on a Area Planning Commission in my regional district.

The best place to keep an eye on a system of government is from within it.
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« Reply #237 on: June 24, 2021, 12:38:27 pm »
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« Reply #238 on: June 24, 2021, 05:07:03 pm »
They were doing God’s work…. So that had to be good.  So a few kids got buried in the backyard…. Small price to pay for saving their souls, am-i-right?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mississauga-pastor-catholic-church-residential-schools-1.6077248

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"We don't know how those children died. We don't know, we can't know, if they would've died if they stayed at home."

While he called for prayers and reconciliation, he also said, "Many people had very positive experiences of residential schools. Many people received health care and education and joyful experiences.

"They weren't universally awful. But there's still no place for the horrors that are alleged to have occurred there."

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« Reply #239 on: June 24, 2021, 06:52:25 pm »
As I said before mortality rates for children under 5 didn’t drop below 25% until the 1920’s and that is for the population in general. Put a bunch of aboriginal kids with limited or no immunity to European diseases in close proximity and those diseases would go through them like wildfire. Their mortality rate would be higher even if there was no abuse. What bothers me as much as anything is the lack of respect they were shown in death.
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