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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2017, 11:02:55 am »
I see it as a bridge to better dialogue, ie. Progress

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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2017, 01:20:05 pm »
I'm all for it, as I say... I just don't see it being anything more than symbolic, and I don't think symbolic gestures are going to do much to end the divide.  I have no idea what the answers might be, though.

I spent a great day at the desert cultural center at the Osoyoos Indian Band reserve.  It really opened my eyes to the potential of what could be achieved with the right leadership.  Of course the cynical view is that the Osoyoos band has it made because their reserve is located on a piece of paradise. That might have helped, but I think it's dismissive of the tremendous work that has been done there in building a proud and successful community.

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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2017, 01:06:40 am »
I'm all for it, as I say... I just don't see it being anything more than symbolic, and I don't think symbolic gestures are going to do much to end the divide.  I have no idea what the answers might be, though.

I spent a great day at the desert cultural center at the Osoyoos Indian Band reserve.  It really opened my eyes to the potential of what could be achieved with the right leadership.  Of course the cynical view is that the Osoyoos band has it made because their reserve is located on a piece of paradise. That might have helped, but I think it's dismissive of the tremendous work that has been done there in building a proud and successful community.

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I read a recent article about that reserve, yes they have a great location, but I think it has more to do with the Chief.  He seems to have his **** together, uses whatever money to it's best potential, get's proper help rather than his brother-in-law and has high expectations of the people around him...among other things.  You can say that he has prime location, but compare his reserve to what the FN's have done to squander the opertunities at Attawapaskat. 

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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2017, 11:33:38 am »
I kind of like that Accountability Now gal over on the other site.... :)

She seems to have a balanced view of things and echoes the thoughts of other aboriginals/metis I've talked with.  She doesn't excuse or whitewash the issues.

My best friend of 17 years is Metis and has struggled with her upbringing for many years, most of the time successfully.  She has never taken advantage of what's offered to aboriginal people, and that's her choice to do it on her own.

And I met and became freinds with an aborignal lady while I was in college.  She grew up on a reserve and swore she would never raise her children on one.  As soon as she graduated high school, she moved into the city and went to heavy hauler driving school, taking advantage of free schooling.  She worked on site for 10 years before wanting to change careers and that's how I met her - she was again taking advantage of free schooling for aboriginals.  I think she's a great example of using what's available to her to better her life and I applaud ones like her who do so.

That being said, I think we need to start weaning them off public assistance.  It's not been an advantage to most and Canada can no longer afford it.  I think everything needs to be "grandfathered" out until natives and non-natives are all equal Canadians, contributing equally.
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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2017, 10:37:28 pm »
Some aboriginal national holiday is fine and all, yes awareness should be raised, but it's really yet another symbolic gesture that doesn't feed mouths or give people jobs etc.

Trudeau has asked the Pope for an apology, renamed some building in Ottawa that was named for some residential schools person, spoke with some protestors in a tipi, remains committed to an inquiry on missing/murdered aboriginal women etc etc.  Most of these things don't do much of anything for aboriginals and most cost very little or nothing.  Stop studying things and renaming things and apologizing and start doing something.

The sad reality is that aboriginals are trying to hold on to a pre-modern way of life that was brutally harsh and has been overly romanticized.  War, ****, murder, disease, famine, infant mortality etc were common in "the good ol' days".  If you want to isolate yourselves to live a subsistance way of life in the middle of nowhere, near little modern industry/commerce, with poor schooling, mediocre medical care etc. then accept your fate: your life is going to suck compared to the average Canadian who reaps all the benefits of living in modern industrial/capitalist society. A trillion dollars & a million acres of land isn't going to make up for that lack.   Sure there's still lots of intergenerational trauma and it's very hard to lose your culture but for the sake of my children i'd get them the hell out of those 3rd-world hell holes.
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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2017, 10:48:45 pm »
To our First Nations friends, I wish a hearty Siha-Siha Muckachuck on this, the traditional Eve of the Frisky Raccoon.

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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2018, 10:00:46 am »
Updates on Trudeau and the first nations file:

MMIWG inquiry gets 6 more months:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/inquiry-extension-ottawa-1.4691903

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The Yellowhead Institute (never heard of them before) assesses Trudeau on his government's progress:

https://yellowheadinstitute.org/rightsframework/

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Our report finds that the Rights Framework expresses a clear and coherent set of goals, which revolve around domesticating Indigenous self-determination within Canadian Confederation. These goals have been ordered into legislation and policy in a manner that guides First Nations towards a narrow model of “self-government” outside of the Indian Act.


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« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2018, 03:24:44 pm »
How better to join the two together than a national holiday ?

http://www.metronews.ca/views/2017/06/20/national-aboriginal-day-should-be-a-stat-holiday.html?cq_ck=1497998942880

I think this could be a better kind of remembrance day...

What do you mean by "better kind"?  Like wtf.
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« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2018, 03:31:47 pm »
I'd be good with a national holiday.
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« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2018, 07:54:18 pm »
What do you mean by "better kind"?  Like wtf.

I don't remember what I meant by that.  Likely I was being flippant to make myself look like a caricature.

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« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2018, 10:23:32 am »
I read a recent article about that reserve, yes they have a great location, but I think it has more to do with the Chief.  He seems to have his **** together, uses whatever money to it's best potential, get's proper help rather than his brother-in-law and has high expectations of the people around him...among other things.  You can say that he has prime location, but compare his reserve to what the FN's have done to squander the opertunities at Attawapaskat.

It is both. Chief Louie is a no BS business man. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/indian-time-doesnt-cut-it-for-innovative-chief-with-on-the-edge-humour/article1103739/ One of my father's careers was an immigration officer and we lived in Osoyoos for around five years when I was a young kid in the fifties and he was working at the border. The native lands on the east side of the lake were nothing but sage brush and cactus back then. We missed this year but every June we have been spending a couple of weeks at the Nk'Mip campsite just below the cultural centre, enjoying the lake and stocking up on the region's wine. Everything is well run and clean. The band is the biggest employer in the area and hires people of all races. The first time we checked in and were greeted by a Brit was a bit of a surprise. She has now been there for several years.
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« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2018, 11:52:12 am »
It seems some FN aren't interested and are satisfied with the status quo.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-first-nation-narrowly-rejects-self-government-land-and-resource-treaty-1.3988292
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« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2018, 12:02:24 pm »
I thought this part was interesting , why would they reject that as it sounds good to me to be away from the Indian Act.

In a separate vote, Lheidli T'enneh members also narrowly rejected a proposed constitution, which would have removed the First Nation from the Indian Act and established self-government.

Band Chief Dominic Frederick says the result of both votes is disappointing, but he intends to honour the wishes of the people.

There's a huge settlement here (Ontario) but its confidential, surely we have a right to know the costs etc.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/06/19/ontario-first-nations-set-to-vote-on-11-billion-treaty-deal.html

I also wonder about the deal in Ontario with the Algonquins which is even bigger and if there is any over lap, probably not as it's further north. 

https://foca.on.ca/algonquin-land-claim-overview/
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« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2018, 02:22:15 pm »
I thought this part was interesting , why would they reject that as it sounds good to me to be away from the Indian Act.

In a separate vote, Lheidli T'enneh members also narrowly rejected a proposed constitution, which would have removed the First Nation from the Indian Act and established self-government.

Band Chief Dominic Frederick says the result of both votes is disappointing, but he intends to honour the wishes of the people.

I don’t know. Afraid to be out on their own after 150 years of being under the act and it’s protections? Better the devil you know? Think they can get a better deal? If so, doesn’t sound like this chief is interested spending his time doing it.
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« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2018, 02:39:57 pm »
Clearly they think they can get a better deal. 
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