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Canadian-Aboriginal Culture
« on: June 21, 2017, 06:13:44 am »
How better to join the two together than a national holiday ?

http://www.metronews.ca/views/2017/06/20/national-aboriginal-day-should-be-a-stat-holiday.html?cq_ck=1497998942880

I think this could be a better kind of remembrance day...

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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2017, 12:05:47 pm »
How better to join the two together than a national holiday ?

http://www.metronews.ca/views/2017/06/20/national-aboriginal-day-should-be-a-stat-holiday.html?cq_ck=1497998942880

I think this could be a better kind of remembrance day...

We're not guilted out enough all through the year, we need a special day to wring our hands in anguish over the crimes of our forefathers?
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2017, 01:11:18 pm »
We're not guilted out enough all through the year, we need a special day to wring our hands in anguish over the crimes of our forefathers?

You can spend your day how you want.  I would go to a pow-wow and get to know some people.
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2017, 10:28:14 pm »
You can spend your day how you want.  I would go to a pow-wow and get to know some people.

That does sound like a nice way to spend a day.

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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2017, 10:45:03 pm »
At one of our projects we had a large aboriginal driver from BFI Waste Management who came by several times a week.  One day, by way of making conversation, I said "hey, George, what does BFI stand for?"

He looks at me, points both of his thumbs at his chest, and says "Big **** Indian."  And then he grins broadly, and I couldn't help laughing.


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Well, it was funny at the time.

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Re: Canadian-Aboriginal Culture
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2017, 11:37:30 am »
This is a sad display:

http://globalnews.ca/news/3565073/indigenous-press-conference-white-lady-demand-leave/

I'm frankly sick of the attitude of native activists that they're the only legitimate people here, and that nobody else has any rights. Calling people whose families have been here for centuries 'settlers' and 'colonists' is patently offensive and borderline racist. And coming from people who owe everything they have to those 'settlers' and 'colonists' it's even more idiotic.

Every country on earth was settled by waves of colonization, often violent colonization. The UK is an example of that, where one group after another, from the Norse to the Celts, the Normans and the Germans all invaded, fought, and settled together, eventually blending together. Canada is no different, and while our ancestors were certainly politically incorrect by our present day standards, so were everyone else's ancestors. It was a harsh, cruel world back then. Even 150 years ago, at the founding of Canada, the average lifespan for Canadians was only 41.7. Which was actually higher than some European countries. Hard to be sensitive to other people's problems when you are working like a dog to take care of your own.
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2017, 12:14:21 pm »
More off-topic horseshit.

A national holiday seems like a nice idea, which should be discussed in its own merits.

Instead we get the same old negative dullard-feed.

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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2017, 12:37:14 pm »
More off-topic horseshit.

A national holiday seems like a nice idea, which should be discussed in its own merits.

Instead we get the same old negative dullard-feed.

Sounds like someone is irked that not everyone shares his attitudes towards natives. Isn't it awful that people can express opinions you disagree with! There oughto be a rule!
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2017, 01:19:15 pm »
I didn't disagree with anything you said.

I disagree with the simple-minded nature of the discussion, which anyone with an iota of perception would have picked up on.

I like disagreeing and discussing with people, obviously, or I wouldn't be here.  If I want to discuss the same thing 10,000 times over, there's another forum where I can go.

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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2017, 03:48:24 pm »
I didn't disagree with anything you said.

I disagree with the simple-minded nature of the discussion, which anyone with an iota of perception would have picked up on.

I like disagreeing and discussing with people, obviously, or I wouldn't be here.  If I want to discuss the same thing 10,000 times over, there's another forum where I can go.

So you don't want to talk about aborigines so you started a topic to talk about aborigines...
Were aborigines discussed 10,000 times over in another forum?

If you start a topic on making an aboriginal day a national holiday you should be prepared for the idea that not everyone thinks that's a good idea, and for them to express their opinion as to why. This is the nature of discussion. You seem to prefer an echo chamber where everyone agrees with everyone. Is your real name Donald, per chance?
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2017, 04:26:17 pm »
So you don't want to talk about aborigines so you started a topic to talk about aborigines...

I started a topic about an idea for a holiday and didn't want to toss **** around in the same old fashion.  Feel free to start a shitty thread on that topic and I will avoid it handily.

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Were aborigines discussed 10,000 times over in another forum?

Going by a google search, I estimate 14,090 times.

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If you start a topic on making an aboriginal day a national holiday you should be prepared for the idea that not everyone thinks that's a good idea,

Yes, I would like to hear why it's not a good idea.

 

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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2017, 04:32:52 pm »
I'm frankly sick of the attitude of native activists that they're the only legitimate people here, and that nobody else has any rights. Calling people whose families have been here for centuries 'settlers' and 'colonists' is patently offensive and borderline racist. And coming from people who owe everything they have to those 'settlers' and 'colonists' it's even more idiotic.

Every country on earth was settled by waves of colonization, often violent colonization. The UK is an example of that, where one group after another, from the Norse to the Celts, the Normans and the Germans all invaded, fought, and settled together, eventually blending together. Canada is no different, and while our ancestors were certainly politically incorrect by our present day standards, so were everyone else's ancestors. It was a harsh, cruel world back then. Even 150 years ago, at the founding of Canada, the average lifespan for Canadians was only 41.7. Which was actually higher than some European countries. Hard to be sensitive to other people's problems when you are working like a dog to take care of your own.

Name one place in the world where their culture was disrupted and their lands were taken and I'll show you a place with cultural strife and resentment.  This type of anger stays for centuries in the psyche of the conquered. 

I'm not sure why the FN would be any different.

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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2017, 04:51:31 pm »
Name one place in the world where their culture was disrupted and their lands were taken and I'll show you a place with cultural strife and resentment.  This type of anger stays for centuries in the psyche of the conquered. 

I'm not sure why the FN would be any different.

Name me one place in the world where their culture WASN'T disrupted and their lands taken. The entire history of the human species is one of constant migrations - often through violence. Every village, tribe, city-state, nation, empire or people expanded up until it met its neighbors, then fought to decide who survived and where the border was. I'm unaware of any case in history where they simply lived side by side forever without such fighting to decide who owned what. That includes the north American natives, and, for that matter, all the other natives in America.

England received successive waves of migrants, many violent. Its people are an amalgam of Celts, Swedes, Germans, Normans, and Romans, among others.
For that matter, one of the issues with settling tribal lands is that the natives fought each other, and multiple tribes claim the same land depending on who won when.

Let's deal with their culture. The average lifespan of the hunter/gatherer nomads and agrarian farmers here was 35. They had no science to speak of, and had made no progress towards further advanced civilization in a thousand years. In all likelihood, had we not arrived they'd still be at pretty much the same level of desperate hand-to-mouth existence in short, violent lives because there were no trainable animals in the Americas to ease their labour or make travel easier (ie horses, oxen). They didn't have time for culture since it was everything they could do to get food. So let's not pretend that had the 'colonists' not showed up life here would be the garden of eden. It was nothing like that for natives.
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2017, 09:43:00 am »
I think a national holiday would be great. Make the August long weekend "First Peoples Day" or something like that, in place of "Civic Holiday" or whatever it's currently called.

But I don't think it will change anything.  It would probably be perceived as lip-service, or a token (and that perception would be accurate, I think.)

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