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Offline JMT

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Re: Canada to Increase Defence Spending
« Reply #60 on: November 28, 2017, 06:29:39 pm »
That had nothing to do with the US threat.  It's still just as empty.

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« Reply #61 on: November 28, 2017, 06:42:41 pm »
Quote from: JMT on November 28, 2017, 06:29:39 pm
That had nothing to do with the US threat.  It's still just as empty.

Perhaps we did not watch the same reactions unfold in the media....i think the liberals came unglued for a second, Trumps message was the cause of all of that, i mean unless you are trying to say that it was all the liberals idea to start with....because that would be false, once they ran out of excuses and their backs were up again'st the wall, that's when they started with put promises out there of increased spending and purchases projects....but we all know how much wieght promises have, if they are even elected again....
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Re: Canada to Increase Defence Spending
« Reply #62 on: November 28, 2017, 07:32:58 pm »
The defence policy was in the planning long before Trump was in the Whitehouse.  It certainly didn't give Trump what he wanted.
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Re: Canada to Increase Defence Spending
« Reply #63 on: November 29, 2017, 11:09:21 am »
Irving wants to sell new arctic patrol ships abroad. Only problem? They cost 6 times what other countries are paying for similar warships.
Don't ask why we're paying 6 times more than other nations. That would be rude.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/irving-wants-to-sell-arctic-patrol-ships-to-other-customers-but-are-the-vessels-too-expensive
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« Reply #64 on: November 29, 2017, 12:37:46 pm »
They actually don’t cost 6x as much.  The development costs were paid by Canada.  They can now be sold at a rate very similar to that of other countries.
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« Reply #65 on: November 29, 2017, 02:27:46 pm »
Quote from: JMT on November 29, 2017, 12:37:46 pm
They actually don’t cost 6x as much.  The development costs were paid by Canada.  They can now be sold at a rate very similar to that of other countries.

The development costs of a design which is 90% similar to the one we bought, you mean?
Is there not a point where the thought occurs that perhaps we should have had the Norwegians build them for us?

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« Reply #66 on: November 29, 2017, 02:53:58 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on November 29, 2017, 02:27:46 pm
The development costs of a design which is 90% similar to the one we bought, you mean?
Is there not a point where the thought occurs that perhaps we should have had the Norwegians build them for us?

That wasn’t the same ship at all.  They basically bought the plans and discarded them.
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« Reply #67 on: November 29, 2017, 03:15:13 pm »
I dunno, Wikipedia puts the construction costs at 2.3 billion for six ships. That's 380 million per copy.
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Re: Canada to Increase Defence Spending
« Reply #68 on: November 29, 2017, 03:23:23 pm »
Quote from: JMT on November 29, 2017, 02:53:58 pm
That wasn’t the same ship at all.  They basically bought the plans and discarded them.

These are half billion dollar ships with the speed of a rowboat and minimal armament which can't go through heavy ice. Why are we building them at all?
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« Reply #69 on: November 29, 2017, 03:48:02 pm »
Quote from: wilber on November 29, 2017, 03:15:13 pm
I dunno, Wikipedia puts the construction costs at 2.3 billion for six ships. That's 380 million per copy.

That’s actually not all that much for the construction.  Most modern warships with heavy weapon systems are over $1.5B.
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« Reply #70 on: November 29, 2017, 03:50:28 pm »
Quote from: JMT on November 29, 2017, 03:48:02 pm
That’s actually not all that much for the construction.  Most modern warships with heavy weapon systems are over $1.5B.

According to the story we are paying $3B for 5 vessels. That's $500m apiece. These are NOT warships with heavy weapons. They're way smaller and have close to half the speed of the Halifax frigates. It's total armament is a 25mm gun and a couple of Browning machineguns.
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« Reply #71 on: November 29, 2017, 04:04:46 pm »
Quote from: JMT on November 29, 2017, 03:48:02 pm
That’s actually not all that much for the construction.  Most modern warships with heavy weapon systems are over $1.5B.

One 25 MM cannon and two Browning M2 machine guns are not heavy weapons. That's the same as a Bradley Fighting vehicle with one more machine gun and minus the anti tank missiles.

The Svalbard carries a 57 MM gun plus machine guns.
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Re: Canada to Increase Defence Spending
« Reply #72 on: November 29, 2017, 05:02:14 pm »
Quote from: JMT on November 29, 2017, 03:48:02 pm
That’s actually not all that much for the construction.  Most modern warships with heavy weapon systems are over $1.5B.

Maybe you should check out the costs of modern warships built in say the US, or Germany, or korea.....less than 1/2 of what we can build them here for....but hey we have to save that industry we don't really have...
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Re: Canada to Increase Defence Spending
« Reply #73 on: November 29, 2017, 05:29:46 pm »
Quote from: wilber on November 29, 2017, 04:04:46 pm
One 25 MM cannon and two Browning M2 machine guns are not heavy weapons.

That's definitely not what I said.
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Re: Canada to Increase Defence Spending
« Reply #74 on: November 29, 2017, 05:30:46 pm »
Quote from: Robert on November 29, 2017, 05:02:14 pm
Maybe you should check out the costs of modern warships built in say the US, or Germany, or korea

The newest Arleigh Burke is running over $2B USD.  The F105 in Spain was over $1B Euros.  When all costs are actually calculated, it's not the case.
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