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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #120 on: May 13, 2020, 08:45:48 am »
It was already illegal to use an AR-15 to hunt with, because AR-15s are classified as Restricted and you can only use Restricted weapons at a licensed shooting range.


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Apparently not if you are FN.
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« Reply #121 on: May 14, 2020, 08:43:25 pm »
Apparently not if you are FN.

WTF:  https://www.aptnnews.ca/national-news/indigenous-hunters-excluded-from-ottawas-assault-weapons-ban-under-section-35/

Why?  This is so stupid. Aboriginals commit more homicides than just about any other group in the country.  It seems silly to give them and them alone a speicla right to have and use the guns.  And why the hell would you need an AR-15 or other assault-ish guns to bring down a deer or moose?  Did aboriginals use AR-15's in pre-colonial days or something?
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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #122 on: May 14, 2020, 08:48:34 pm »
Indigenous people have hunting rights, and a duty to be consulted by the Crown.  The rest of us do not.  I guess it’s a double standard, but I think they’ve had the short end of the stick, to put it mildly, since the 1700s.

Ya I guess. 
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« Reply #123 on: May 14, 2020, 09:46:20 pm »
Ya I guess.

You guess, or you just don't know?

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« Reply #124 on: May 14, 2020, 09:51:35 pm »
Ya I guess.

It’s all about consultation and a lack of it.  Because of the lack of consultation, it could be overturned by the courts if challenged.
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« Reply #125 on: May 14, 2020, 10:10:13 pm »
It’s all about consultation and a lack of it.  Because of the lack of consultation, it could be overturned by the courts if challenged.

They have hunting rights, but what about gun rights?

Basically the Liberals are saying if you hunt with an assault rifle, and that's the only gun you have, you can still hunt with it until you can replace it.

As someone else said, sounds rare someone would only own restricted assault rifles if they hunt.  I'd think most hunters own at least one hunting rifle.
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« Reply #126 on: May 14, 2020, 10:33:05 pm »
They have hunting rights, but what about gun rights?

Basically the Liberals are saying if you hunt with an assault rifle, and that's the only gun you have, you can still hunt with it until you can replace it.

As someone else said, sounds rare someone would only own restricted assault rifles if they hunt.  I'd think most hunters own at least one hunting rifle.

Yes, that’s the other thing...   it is probably so rare that it’s not really an issue.

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« Reply #127 on: May 14, 2020, 10:43:29 pm »
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Yes, that’s the other thing...   it is probably so rare that it’s not really an issue.

Try Googling the Oka Crisis.
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« Reply #128 on: May 14, 2020, 10:49:57 pm »
Try Googling the Oka Crisis.

So they were mostly hunters then?   ::)
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« Reply #129 on: May 28, 2020, 12:16:30 pm »
just released Global News/Ipsos polling: states 82% of those surveyed either strongly (54%) or somewhat (27%) agree with banning “assault-style” weapons. Regionally, support for the assault-style gun ban is highest ⁠— 89% ⁠— in the province of Quebec:

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« Reply #130 on: May 28, 2020, 11:53:07 pm »
WTF:  https://www.aptnnews.ca/national-news/indigenous-hunters-excluded-from-ottawas-assault-weapons-ban-under-section-35/

Why?  This is so stupid. Aboriginals commit more homicides than just about any other group in the country. 

That's a strange claim. Never heard that before.
Can you provide evidence to support that, or are you just making it up?
  If so, why?


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It seems silly to give them and them alone a speicla right to have and use the guns.  And why the hell would you need an AR-15 or other assault-ish guns to bring down a deer or moose?  Did aboriginals use AR-15's in pre-colonial days or something?

All owners can keep and use their AR-15's for two years, until a buyback or grandfathering are worked out.
Indigenous owners can keep and use their AR-15's until a suitable replacement can be found.

I fail to see much difference worth making a fuss about at all, and especially not making up nonsense about murder rates.
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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #131 on: May 29, 2020, 11:10:25 am »
Trudeau in both his election platforms proposed banning assault rifles. He never got around to it because of its unpopularity. He then used the tragedy in Nova Scotia to revisit the issue and linked his ban to the tragedy with these words:
 “Their (victims of the mass shooter) families deserve more than thoughts and prayers. Canadians deserve more than thoughts and prayers,”    and
“These weapons were designed for one purpose and one purpose only: to kill the largest amount of people in the shortest amount of time,” said Trudeau.

The problem with using a tragic incident to prop a law is that this acts based on emotional reaction and not well thought out principles.

So for example the ban covers some 1,500 models and variants of what the government considers assault-style weapons and the list can be found at: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6880974-Canada-Gazette-May-1-2020-Part-II.html

Because of the rush to react, the list was assembled to quickly leading to too broad a list that covers 10 and 12 gauge shotguns, bolt-action rifles and even airsoft guns which will affect almost 100,000 sport gun owners but over a million hunters and duck hunters. By doing that its alienated people who use rifles who might have otherwise agreed with a regulation to control assault rifles.

The ban also has two other inherent weaknesses. The first is that the ban and list will not prevent owners of rifles not on the list on their own to modify them making them assault type rifles. The government admitted this and said they will look into making sure “manufacturers” can’t get away with making minor tweaks to illegal models so as to render them legal, but gave no specifics and does not address how they will stop legal rifle owners from reconverting their legal rifles.

The next flaw and the one many who would otherwise support rifle regulation oppose is that it does not address illegal smuggling in of firearms or criminals or mentally ill getting their hands on weapons. In fact it ignores hand-guns and delegates the concern of hand-guns to municipal governments. It in fact focuses on legal rifle owners, who are law abiding and who have been requires to complete training as to storing, transporting and using their rifles and who have been screened through the Canadian Police Information Centre daily to make sure no laws are being broken. It focuses on the wrong people and does not prevent high powered rifles getting into the wrong hands. It focuses on law abiding rifle owners not mad-men or criminals who get their hands on weapons.

The issue that remains unanswered by the ban is how we address any weapon getting into the hands of criminals or mentally ill people.
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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #132 on: May 29, 2020, 11:49:23 am »
Trudeau in both his election platforms proposed banning assault rifles. He never got around to it because of its unpopularity. He then used the tragedy in Nova Scotia to revisit the issue and linked his ban to the tragedy with these words:
 “Their (victims of the mass shooter) families deserve more than thoughts and prayers. Canadians deserve more than thoughts and prayers,”    and
“These weapons were designed for one purpose and one purpose only: to kill the largest amount of people in the shortest amount of time,” said Trudeau.

The problem with using a tragic incident to prop a law is that this acts based on emotional reaction and not well thought out principles.

So for example the ban covers some 1,500 models and variants of what the government considers assault-style weapons and the list can be found at: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6880974-Canada-Gazette-May-1-2020-Part-II.html

Because of the rush to react, the list was assembled to quickly leading to too broad a list that covers 10 and 12 gauge shotguns, bolt-action rifles and even airsoft guns which will affect almost 100,000 sport gun owners but over a million hunters and duck hunters. By doing that its alienated people who use rifles who might have otherwise agreed with a regulation to control assault rifles.

The ban also has two other inherent weaknesses. The first is that the ban and list will not prevent owners of rifles not on the list on their own to modify them making them assault type rifles. The government admitted this and said they will look into making sure “manufacturers” can’t get away with making minor tweaks to illegal models so as to render them legal, but gave no specifics and does not address how they will stop legal rifle owners from reconverting their legal rifles.

The next flaw and the one many who would otherwise support rifle regulation oppose is that it does not address illegal smuggling in of firearms or criminals or mentally ill getting their hands on weapons. In fact it ignores hand-guns and delegates the concern of hand-guns to municipal governments. It in fact focuses on legal rifle owners, who are law abiding and who have been requires to complete training as to storing, transporting and using their rifles and who have been screened through the Canadian Police Information Centre daily to make sure no laws are being broken. It focuses on the wrong people and does not prevent high powered rifles getting into the wrong hands. It focuses on law abiding rifle owners not mad-men or criminals who get their hands on weapons.

The issue that remains unanswered by the ban is how we address any weapon getting into the hands of criminals or mentally ill people.

Well I can assure of one thing, leaving weapons on store shelves is one way to make sure they will get into the hands of those people. But you already knew that, right? duh!
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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #133 on: May 29, 2020, 02:42:00 pm »
Well I can assure of one thing, leaving weapons on store shelves is one way to make sure they will get into the hands of those people. But you already knew that, right? duh!

You could say that about hundreds of potentially dangerous things that are on store shelves. People make bombs out of fertilizer.

How does it make sure that they will get into the hands of "those people" when you need a PAL to buy one?
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« Reply #134 on: May 29, 2020, 03:08:43 pm »
Trudeau in both his election platforms proposed banning assault rifles. He never got around to it because of its unpopularity.

no - your self-serving revisionism isn't factual: the regulations were always intended to be presented this session... late March. And then, you know, COVID-19 redirected the near entirety of the government's attention, particularly Public Safety Minister Blair's focus on border security and other pandemic related public safety concerns.