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Offline JMT

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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #105 on: May 12, 2020, 03:43:34 pm »
As FN are exempt from this ban, it seems they do need them to hunt deer. Just like the illegal trade in smokes and drugs on border reserves, gun trafficking will also flourish.

They're not exempt.

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« Reply #106 on: May 12, 2020, 03:45:42 pm »
https://www.aptnnews.ca/national-news/indigenous-hunters-excluded-from-ottawas-assault-weapons-ban-under-section-35/https://www.aptnnews.ca/national-news/indigenous-hunters-excluded-from-ottawas-assault-weapons-ban-under-section-35/

Is anyone surprised? Not me.

Not in the least:

“They may continue using firearms that were previously non-restricted for these purposes until a suitable replacement can be acquired.”

In other words, they have to prove that is their only suitable weapon for the purpose to keep using it for right now.

Last week gun nuts were foaming at the mouth about this ban being a constitutional violation. Infringing on section 35 rights without a very easy and reasonable accommodation would be a violation of our actual constitution.

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« Reply #107 on: May 12, 2020, 05:47:18 pm »
They're not exempt.

They are excluded from the ban, did you not read the link I posted?
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« Reply #108 on: May 12, 2020, 05:54:07 pm »
They are excluded from the ban, did you not read the link I posted?

JMT posted the quote from the link.  They’re exempt “until a suitable replacement can be found“.   I’m not a big fan of that, but because there was probably no consultation with indigenous groups, this is the way it had to be, otherwise it would be overturned by the courts. 

Hopefully, they will actually do the work, the consultations and get them suitable (legal) replacements if needed.  But the odds are very slim that any indigenous hunter is even using one of these rifles to hunt. 

Plus, they are now banned for sale and import, so no one will be getting a new one.

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« Reply #109 on: May 12, 2020, 07:33:14 pm »
Suitable replacement found by who, and what is considered a suitable replacement. If it is a suitable replacement for hunting there are hundreds available today.

Weasel words so the government doesn't have to deal with FN at all.
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« Reply #110 on: May 12, 2020, 07:39:02 pm »
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Plus, they are now banned for sale and import, so no one will be getting a new one.

Bet they will, governments are scared stiff of dealing with FN, they will just turn a blind eye if smuggled ones turn up in FN hands.
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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #111 on: May 12, 2020, 10:05:45 pm »
They are excluded from the ban, did you not read the link I posted?

They are not excluded from the ban. Maybe you should read your link?

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« Reply #112 on: May 12, 2020, 10:34:40 pm »
They are not excluded from the ban. Maybe you should read your link?

They are excluded, the government is just weaselling out of having to deal with FN. They will still have their AR-15's twenty years from now.
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« Reply #113 on: May 12, 2020, 10:48:12 pm »
They are excluded, the government is just weaselling out of having to deal with FN. They will still have their AR-15's twenty years from now.

They can only use the weapon if they have no other suitable weapon.  How many guns do you think we're actually talking about here? It's a lot closer to 0 than 100.

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« Reply #114 on: May 12, 2020, 10:54:06 pm »
They can only use the weapon if they have no other suitable weapon.  How many guns do you think we're actually talking about here? It's a lot closer to 0 than 100.


Who will enforce that and how do you know how many there are? I bet there are a lot more than 100. Anyway, double standards don't seem to bother you.
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« Reply #115 on: May 12, 2020, 11:39:26 pm »

Who will enforce that and how do you know how many there are? I bet there are a lot more than 100. Anyway, double standards don't seem to bother you.

Canada exists because of 'double standards.'

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« Reply #116 on: May 12, 2020, 11:44:56 pm »
Canada exists because of 'double standards.'

What makes you thing that tabernac? ;)

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« Reply #117 on: May 12, 2020, 11:58:48 pm »
It was already illegal to use an AR-15 to hunt with, because AR-15s are classified as Restricted and you can only use Restricted weapons at a licensed shooting range.

"You don't need an AR-15 to bring down a deer" is one of the dumber sound-bites Trudeau came up with the other day... probably another catch phrase lifted straight from the mouths of US activists without stopping to consider that it's nonsensical in a Canadian context.

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« Reply #119 on: May 13, 2020, 12:34:18 am »

Who will enforce that and how do you know how many there are? I bet there are a lot more than 100. Anyway, double standards don't seem to bother you.

Indigenous people have hunting rights, and a duty to be consulted by the Crown.  The rest of us do not.  I guess it’s a double standard, but I think they’ve had the short end of the stick, to put it mildly, since the 1700s.