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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2020, 05:50:22 pm »
While we are at it, let’s get rid of recreation boats that can go faster than 50 kph, that’s plenty fast enough for skiing, tubing or wakeboarding. Get rid of all PWC’s because they are just irritating as hell.

You’re making stupid arguments again Wilber.  We can save many lives with sensible gun control and deal with deaths from other sources as well. 

One isn’t tied to the other.  Why do you think one needs to be tied to the other?

It’s the same stupid argument that the people against a shut down for the pandemic argued...   Cars kill WAY more people than COVID-19.  Let’s ban cars too! 

It’s a  lazy and stupid argument without nuance and thought behind it.

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This is also a bad argument when looking at the risk/reward or costs to society.  What’s it going to cost society to ban all cars vs ban guns (although, you still ignore the fact that virtually no one, and not this new gun control measure, bans all guns.  Not even close).
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« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2020, 06:01:04 pm »
You’re making stupid arguments again Wilber.  We can save many lives with sensible gun control and deal with deaths from other sources as well.  Ok

One isn’t tied to the other.  Why do you think one needs to be tied to the other?

It’s the same stupid argument that the people against a shut down for the pandemic argued...   Cars kill WAY more people than COVID-19.  Let’s ban cars too! 

It’s a  lazy and stupid argument without nuance and thought behind it.

Back attcha. You are saying ban semi auto guns because no one needs them so why not ban everything we don’t need that kills people. You are putting a value on people’s lives according to how they died.
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« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2020, 06:07:29 pm »
You are saying ban semi auto guns because no one needs them...

I didn’t say it was “because no one needs them”. 

I said it would make mass shooting more difficult while still maintaining people’s ability to hunt and shoot for sport. 

I’ve also never said that we will ever get deaths down to zero.  It’s about a compromise between reducing the potential carnage as much as possible while still acknowledging that people do need to use guns to hunt and for sport shooting, although I put far less value on the sport shooting, as it is strictly recreation.  They could easily use air guns to do exactly the same thing.  That can’t be said for hunting.

...so why not ban everything we don’t need that kills people.


Because that’s an unworkable, unrealistic, overly-simplistic viewpoint. 

It would be like saying “well since guns kill people, why don’t we just allow automatic weapons and bazookas too”?


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You are putting a value on people’s lives according to how they died.

How am I doing that when I said I think it’s important to reduce car deaths too?  Sounds like I want to reduce deaths from multiple sources.
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« Reply #48 on: May 07, 2020, 07:01:53 pm »
Not all cars, just the ones we don’t need and produce a much higher body count than firearms.

I can see that.  No-one needs more than a Corolla, anyway.  The lives saved would be far more than any gun ban.  And while we're at it, ATVs and snowmobiles, too.  They kill a lot of kids.

Air pollution would be reduced, which is also a killer, and the climate change people will approve too.

There's no downside!
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« Reply #49 on: May 07, 2020, 07:40:11 pm »
I can see that.  No-one needs more than a Corolla, anyway.  The lives saved would be far more than any gun ban.  And while we're at it, ATVs and snowmobiles, too.  They kill a lot of kids.

Air pollution would be reduced, which is also a killer, and the climate change people will approve too.

There's no downside!

A nine and a ten year old were killed last weekend near Chilliwack when a family in an ATV went off a road into a lake.
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« Reply #50 on: May 07, 2020, 07:59:38 pm »
A nine and a ten year old were killed last weekend near Chilliwack when a family in an ATV went off a road into a lake.

Your devil’s advocate routine would work if it wasn’t such a brain dead argument.  Keep trying though.
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« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2020, 08:01:08 pm »
A nine and a ten year old were killed last weekend near Chilliwack when a family in an ATV went off a road into a lake.

Yeah, avoidable tragedies.  At least it's not a brain dead argument.
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« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2020, 08:03:06 pm »
Yeah, avoidable tragedies.  At least it's not a brain dead argument.

Should we allow tanks?  Heck, we allow guns and cars...  they kill people by the thousands.  Why not tanks?  I bet they wouldn’t kill as many people as guns and cars...
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« Reply #53 on: May 07, 2020, 08:05:38 pm »
Should we allow tanks?  Heck, we allow guns and cars...  they kill people by the thousands.  Why not tanks?  I bet they wouldn’t kill as many people as guns and cars...

No no, we should ban tanks.  Especially semi automatic tanks.

Actually, it wouldn't surprise me if semi automatic tanks were already banned in Canada.
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« Reply #54 on: May 07, 2020, 08:11:17 pm »
Yep. Take guns off the shelf. Can't make it any simpler.

Not a single one of the Nova Scotia killer's guns was purchased "off the shelf".

Well would you rather take the donald trump approach to such issues? Sounds like it. Head in the sand as I said.
I guess if owning an assault rifle gives you a hard on you should go sign up for the military.

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« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2020, 08:20:02 pm »
Yes, it was certainly Trudeau himself who would have done that.   Probably on purpose too!  Was it a coffee company from Alberta??  WEXIT!

Don't you think banning a coffee company shows that they didn't put as much thought into this as they'd like you to think?

As suspected....   

https://www.blackriflecoffee.ca/pages/about-us

#WEXIT

Oh okay. It was an Alberta coffee company so that makes it not stupid?

Perhaps the caffeination levels were found to be "military grade".

Perhaps they found that the Keurig Cups had a diameter larger than 20mm.

Perhaps they found that the coffee had an energy of over 10,000 Joules per cup.

"This coffee was designed for one purpose and one purpose only: to caffeinate as many people as possible as a quickly as possible."

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« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2020, 08:24:47 pm »
Don't you think banning a coffee company shows that they didn't put as much thought into this as they'd like you to think?

Oh okay. It was an Alberta coffee company so that makes it not stupid?

Perhaps the caffeination levels were found to be "military grade".

Perhaps they found that the Keurig Cups had a diameter larger than 20mm.

Perhaps they found that the coffee had an energy of over 10,000 Joules per cup.

"This coffee was designed for one purpose and one purpose only: to caffeinate as many people as possible as a quickly as possible."

"Canadians deserve more than caffeine and prayers."




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I never claimed they put ANY thought into it.  I said earlier that this is mostly optics, maybe addresses a bit of the easy to use assault-style guns but doesn’t go nearly far enough to actually prevent deaths.  I may have called it a good start.

If they went with the Squid Gun-Safety Plan, there would be a more well thought out plan to ban handguns and to ban anything other than single-shot rifles and a ban on pump action shotguns.  People could still kill things and shoot bullseyes.   Just not as quickly.

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« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2020, 08:28:04 pm »
Should we allow tanks?  Heck, we allow guns and cars...  they kill people by the thousands.  Why not tanks?  I bet they wouldn’t kill as many people as guns and cars...

Well, luckily they did ban the Soviet M-42 anti-tank gun, which as you may know was involved in the mass shootings of many Nazis during World War 2.


I know that all Canadians will breathe easier knowing that the government has taken action to stop the epidemic of M-42 shootings in Canada!

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« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2020, 08:29:58 pm »
I never claimed they put ANY thought into it.

We agree on that much.

I said earlier that this is mostly optics,

We agree on that as well.

maybe addresses a bit of the easy to use assault-style guns but doesn’t go nearly far enough to actually prevent deaths.  I may have called it a good start.

If they went with the Squid Gun-Safety Plan, there would be a more well thought out plan to ban handguns and to ban anything other than single-shot rifles and a ban on pump action shotguns.  People could still kill things and shoot bullseyes.   Just not as quickly.

I'll get to this shortly.

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« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2020, 08:42:46 pm »
Not a single one of the Nova Scotia killer's guns was purchased "off the shelf".

"hurrr durr!  Dunald Trump1!!"


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"hurr, durr" That must be a local trump promotion thing I guess? Keep those guns on the shelf "until you canpry them from my cold, dead, hands " type of thing?
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