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Offline Bubbermiley

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« Reply #285 on: December 09, 2022, 05:13:21 pm »
Found the dipshit who doesn't understand Parliamentary procedure.
Also, the government is not in control of Parliament. But what do you expect from someone who thinks we need a means to impeach minority prime ministers.
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« Reply #286 on: December 09, 2022, 05:46:25 pm »
Also, the government is not in control of Parliament. But what do you expect from someone who thinks we need a means to impeach minority prime minister's.

Shady thinks Canada needs an impeachment process so parliament can remove the PM, but parliament can already remove the PM just by voting on a motion that can be brought forward. 

LOL

Its like hes a caricature of a complete blubbering imbecile, but he really is a blubbering imbecile.

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« Reply #287 on: December 10, 2022, 02:44:41 pm »
The Trudeau regime is getting quite authoritarian.

c'mon Shady! How are you not aware of the most basic workings of the HOC practice & procedures? ... most notably the one your linked video references showing Raquel Dancho (the CPC Shadow Minister for Public Safety) whining about her expulsion from the HOC. That she is surrounded by other noddingHead CPC MPs is gold, real gold! Of course what you stoopidly don't recognize/understand is that her expulsion from the HOC was as a result of a ruling by the Speaker. Dancho went against Parliamentary practice and explicitly called another Parliamentarian a liar. The Speaker gave her the opportunity to withdraw her statement/claim (which she did) and to apologize (which she refused to do - hence the expulsion).

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« Reply #288 on: January 02, 2023, 12:56:09 pm »


My Christmas wish did not come true :(

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« Reply #289 on: January 02, 2023, 01:04:15 pm »


Name one thing the CPC has said on this that has turned out to be misinformation. I dare you.

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« Reply #290 on: January 02, 2023, 01:24:36 pm »


The Liberals accusing their opponents of "spreading misinformation" is just the more polite, Canadian version of Trump shouting "fake news! fake news!"

Reminder that the when the C-21 amendments were first introduced in November and critics pointed out that hunting rifles were affected, Marco Moronico told us that was misinformation and that the amendments would only ban "AR-15 style assault rifles".
 -which was a bald-faced lie because the list is published and it's all there in black and white that many common hunting firearms were affected.

And when that lie ran out of gas, Marco and the Liberals updated their message to "guys we are fine-tuning the list to make sure we are only targeting these dangerous weapons designed to kill the maximum number of people in the shortest amount of time."  (if you drink a shot each time you hear Justin or Marco use the phrase "kill the maximum amount of people in the shortest amount of time" in their C-21 messaging, you'd end up in a coma.)

And then it changed to "we are listening to feedback and we are taking the time to get this right."

And in his year end chat with Senator Barton, Justin told Rosie "okay, yes, we are banning some hunting guns that are just too dangerous, but if you have a gun that is affected by the ban, you can just go buy a gun that we haven't banned yet."  (he has gone from "you don't need an AR-15 to bring down a deer" to "we'll decide what you need to bring down a deer.")

After a month and a half of obfuscation, the Liberals have, finally, acknowledged that what they'd called "misinformation" was the truth all along.

And yet, just a couple of days after acknowledging that they indeed banning some hunting guns, Justin was doing his year-end social media Q&A, and between questions about whether he would bring back the beard and about what kind of pants dogs would wear if dogs wore pants, Justin answered a question about C-21 and said that they were only going after assault style weapons and complained about "misinformation".  He seems so comfortable saying one thing to one audience then something different to another audience.

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« Reply #291 on: January 02, 2023, 01:27:31 pm »
Name one thing the CPC has said on this that has turned out to be misinformation. I dare you.

the waldo double dog dares you to spin the CPC misinformation efforts in regards the list of banned "hunting rifles"... where no final list has been formulated... where stakeholder/public consultation and feedback will be factored in realizing the final list. Double dog dare ya, hey!

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« Reply #292 on: January 02, 2023, 01:30:13 pm »
... a bald-faced lie because the list is published and it's all there in black and white that many common hunting firearms were affected.

quit misinforming kimmy! There is no final list - no final list has been formulated... where stakeholder/public consultation and feedback will be factored in realizing that final list.

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« Reply #293 on: January 02, 2023, 01:40:43 pm »
the waldo double dog dares you to spin the CPC misinformation efforts in regards the list of banned "hunting rifles"... where no final list has been formulated... where stakeholder/public consultation and feedback will be factored in realizing the final list. Double dog dare ya, hey!

In the last week of hearings, the C-21 committee voted 6-5 to do more public consultation, and notably to do some hearings in places they somehow forgot to visit last summer. While Moronico boasted that "we went coast to coast to talk to Canadians!" about C-21, he means coast-to-coast in only the most literal sense-- they did a hearing on the East coast in Fredricton, flew to the west coast for a hearing on the West coast in Vancouver, and the remainder of the hearings as far as I am aware of were in Montreal and Toronto.

Important to note that all 6 votes in favor of more public consultation came from the CPC, NDP, and BQ members of the committee. All 5 Liberals on the committee voted against more public hearings, with house-flipping enthusiast Taleeb Noormohamed complaining that it would take too long.

While Marco Moronico says "we're listening to Canadians!" and "we're taking time to get this right!" in the Commons, the Liberal members of the committee voted for the exact opposite. Marco can say whatever he likes, but their actions in the committee prove he's a liar.

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« Reply #294 on: January 02, 2023, 01:48:35 pm »
quit misinforming kimmy! There is no final list - no final list has been formulated... where stakeholder/public consultation and feedback will be factored in realizing that final list.

Again hiding behind the "we're still fine-tuning the list!" excuse.

Another important point about the public consultations:  when they were doing their public consultations for C-21, C-21 was still a handgun ban and these two significant amendments were not part of the consultations.

For Marco and his peons to drop these two major additions to the bill at the 11th hour and then turn around and say "but we talked to the public about this all summer long!" is complete bullshit.

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« Reply #295 on: January 02, 2023, 02:04:36 pm »
...the C-21 committee voted 6-5 to do more public consultation

citation request - sure you can!

Quote from: Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino
The bill is still being considered at committee and hasn't been finalized. The banning of hunting models would be a "red line" for the government. We're not going after guns that are commonly used for hunting. We are after the guns that exert the most lethal force in the shortest period of time.

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« Reply #296 on: January 02, 2023, 03:36:24 pm »
citation request - sure you can!

C-21 delayed as opposition demands more public hearings:
https://globalnews.ca/news/9352672/firearms-bill-c21-committee-delay/

The 5 Liberals on the committee attempting to block additional consultation is discussed here. You can find text of the article online if you don't wish to subscribe.
https://www.blacklocks.ca/christmas-recess-on-bill-c-21/

Additional details, such as the Pam Damoff motion to dismiss the motion for additional consultations being defeated 6-5 by the BQ, NDP, CPC team-up, were posted to twitter by people who were live-tweeting the hearings.

Friendly reminder: If they were sincere about listening to the public about these amendments, they wouldn't have waited until after the public consultations were finished to introduce these amendments.

Quote from: Marco Moronico
The bill is still being considered at committee and hasn't been finalized. The banning of hunting models would be a "red line" for the government. We're not going after guns that are commonly used for hunting. We are after the guns that exert the most lethal force in the shortest period of time.

Yeah, he said that.  But that was back on December 5. Their story has changed 3 different times since then.  We went over this already. Their party line is no longer "we're not banning hunting guns", it's now "if we ban your hunting gun, you can just go buy a new one that isn't banned yet."

Quote from: Marco Moronico
The bill is still being considered at committee and hasn't been finalized. The banning of hunting models would be a "red line" for the government.
It's a "red line" they're comfortable crossing. Their list of banned guns includes numerous hunting models. Their "evergreen definition" will also ban numerous hunting models.

Quote from: Marco Moronico
We're not going after guns that are commonly used for hunting.
The SKS is among the most commonly used hunting guns in Canada, and Marco and Justin have both made clear that they're adamant about banning it. They've banned by name a lot of other common hunting guns. Their evergreen definition will ban numerous hunting guns. They're certainly going after many guns that are commonly used for hunting. It's beyond dispute.

 Marco "Mr. April 31" Mendicino was lying, as per usual.

Quote from: Marco Moronico
We are after the guns that exert the most lethal force in the shortest period of time.
(everybody drink a shot!)

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« Reply #297 on: January 03, 2023, 03:00:25 pm »
The 5 Liberals on the committee attempting to block additional consultation is discussed here. You can find text of the article online if you don't wish to subscribe.

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Opposition MPs yesterday voted 6 to 5 to block attempts to rush the bill through the Commons public safety committee: Were going to hold this legislation back until April at the earliest.
https://www.blacklocks.ca/christmas-recess-on-bill-c-21/

oh please! Surely, even you, isn't dumb enough to fork-out ~$130 for a subscription to that rag Blacklock's... surely not even you. But hey now! The waldo calls bullshyte. You claim there is, "text of the article online" - yet somehow you don't quote from it... you don't cite reference it! Wait now, is it cause claimed online text can be found on one of your gunner sites? Is that it - you're afraid to link/quote from one of your gunner sites?

in any case, there are 6 Liberals on that committee and meeting minutes/evidence is published online. If you'd like to try to save face here, state which meeting your imagined vote occurred in. What's blindingly clear is the four Conservatives on that committee wanted to delay the bill well into next year by calling for 20 additional meetings and a related Canada-wide travelpalooza.

again: Quit misinforming kimmy! There is no final list - no final list has been formulated... where stakeholder/public consultation and feedback will be factored in realizing that final list.

Quote from: Minister of Public Safety of Canada, Marco Mendicino
The bill is still being considered at committee and hasn't been finalized. The banning of hunting models would be a "red line" for the government. We're not going after guns that are commonly used for hunting. We are after the guns that exert the most lethal force in the shortest period of time.


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« Reply #298 on: February 03, 2023, 07:09:36 pm »
After consultation, Trudeau rolled back much of his proposed legislation? Fascist Dictator!
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« Reply #299 on: February 08, 2023, 02:14:23 am »
After consultation, Trudeau rolled back much of his proposed legislation? Fascist Dictator!

Yes, that is the spin now. "We have heard your concerns!"  Carlo Cappuccino goes on his trip to Whitehorse, has his vision-quest moment in the woods with some hunters, and suddenly all has become clear to him.

Let us not forget that the Liberals spent over a month accusing everybody who criticized the amendments of spreading misinformation.  They only started listening last week when the NDP indicated that they were going to pull the plug on C-21 over the amendments.

I would only give the Liberals credit for consulting with the NDP. I would give credit to the NDP for listening to their constituents and using their power in the minority government to pull the plug on amendments G-4 and G-46.

When asked about NDP and BQ opposition to the bill, Super Justin said, essentially, that he expected the NDP and BQ to support it because it's a progressive bill and they're progressive parties. But as I mentioned earlier in the thread, the BQ and NDP (unlike the Liberals) do need to hold on to their rural seats to maintain their relevance in Parliament.  Perhaps he thought he was putting them between a rock and a hard place and that they'd knuckle under.  They didn't.

It's really incredible how badly the Liberals screwed up this bill.  They took a bill that had multi-party support and broad public support, and added two amendments that were so bad that even their own backbenchers spoke out against it.  To unite the CPC, NDP, BQ, backbench Liberal MPs, and the Assembly of First Nations against your bill is a feat of astounding incompetence.

I do believe this is a win-win, though (for everybody except for PolySeSouvient, at least).  The NDP and BQ can point to this as being proof that they still have some clout in the minority government.  The CPC were the main opponents of the bill from square one, so obviously this is a win for them.  For the Liberals at least they can spin this as "we are listening to all Canadians!" and it lets their rural MPs save face with their constituents.


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