Author Topic: Canada gunz (Read 6454 times)

waldo · « **Reply #255 on:** October 24, 2022, 12:39:49 pm »

of course Canada's prominent gunner "rights" lobby, the CCFR {Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights}, wants to import U.S. style regulations to Canada... aided by a {presumptive} supportive CPC/PeePee government! CCFR policy documents call for regulations to allow for:
- concealed carry of firearms in urban areas
- open carry of firearms in rural areas
- however an over-riding caveat calls for concealed versus open carry to be left to the discretion of the gun owner; specifically: "Those who choose to carry firearms can be trusted to exercise proper discretion as to when to carry openly or concealed"

kimmy · « **Reply #256 on:** November 19, 2022, 01:58:35 pm »

Hey, waldo, have you heard any news on when that lying sack of crap Marco Moronico is going to give me my god damned money?

-k

waldo · « **Reply #257 on:** November 19, 2022, 02:01:07 pm »

Quote from: kimmy on November 19, 2022, 01:58:35 pm

Hey, waldo, have you heard any news on when that lying sack of crap Marco Moronico is going to give me my god damned money?

geezaz, I sure hope your cheque hasn't been lost in the mail!

kimmy · « **Reply #258 on:** November 19, 2022, 02:09:36 pm »

I will take that as a "no."

No worries, they can just vote themselves another extension this spring, right?

They told us that it was urgent to get these terrible guns "off the street" when they announced the ban. Two and a half years later they still have not implemented the "buy-back" program to actually do so. They don't seem to consider it as urgent as they said it was.

It took New Zealand 8 months to create their buyback program from announcement to implementation. In Canada we're at 30 months with no signs of progress.

Are they intergalactically incompetent, or are they dragging this out as long as possible on purpose?

-k

waldo · « **Reply #259 on:** November 21, 2022, 01:32:23 pm »

how sexist, how demeaning - the CCFR 2023 Gunnie Girl Calendar!

Black Dog · « **Reply #260 on:** November 21, 2022, 03:07:03 pm »

Quote from: waldo on November 21, 2022, 01:32:23 pm

how sexist, how demeaning - the CCFR 2023 Gunnie Girl Calendar!

waldo · « **Reply #261 on:** December 06, 2022, 11:54:05 am »

Quote from: Black Dog on December 05, 2022, 05:41:53 pm

With all that being said, the gun lobby in this country does itself a great disservice by being represented by the sort of people for whom firearms ownership is a whole ass personality. Check out the websites of the CCFA and the NFA, especially the merch sections which prominently feature handgun and assault weapon iconography which is clearly designed to "trigger the libs" as opposed to presenting the image of these groups-and, by extension, law-abiding gun owners- as regular people. I dunno how gun people can complain about urban liberal types thinking they are all American style gun nuts when that's the image they go out of their way to portray.

or the recent 'dust-up' over the classless and despicable action taken by the CCFR {Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights} recently... allegedly... mocking the École Polytechnique shooting by using POLY as a promo code for its website:

waldo · « **Reply #262 on:** December 06, 2022, 12:13:06 pm »

ConMedia is rallying the misinforming charge against the recent amendment to Bill C-21... significant in that being the many articles prominently quoting ~~criminologist~~... ~~gun rights advocate~~... gunner, Gary Mauser! Notwithstanding the guy's education is in psychology with research focused on political marketing, gunnerMauser is hardly an unbiased independent source. The waldo is shocked that none of the articles provide any background on Mauser's decade+ positioning as a prolific gunner!

there was even an attempt here to play up the legitimacy of the guy by quoting a "puff-piece bio", sans his positioning as a most biased gun advocate! Of course the waldo had a cursory look at the guys bio referencing "studies" that leads with a Harvard mention. As the waldo wrote:

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of course, always lead with a Harvard reference... speaking of: Harvard Study Embraced by Gun Rights Advocates Is Neither a “Study,” Nor Really “Harvard”. And contrary to the claims of its authors (one of whom is backed by the NRA), it does not prove that more guns equals less crime.

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For starters, the phrase “Harvard study” is a misnomer, as the paper was not written by researchers at all affiliated with Harvard. Kates is a prominent, NRA-backed Second Amendment activist, while Mauser is a well-known Canadian gun advocate. Their paper appeared in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, a journal that, unlike most academic publications, does not have peer review. The publication describes itself as a “student-edited” law review that provides a forum for “conservative and libertarian legal scholarship.”
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What’s more, the report by Kates and Mauser does not meet even the loosest criteria of an academic study, which requires either new analysis of an old dataset or boilerplate analysis of a new dataset. Kates and Mauser’s paper offers neither of these, instead relying on highly subjective eyeball comparisons of suspect data, without constructing a single statistical model.
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Leaving aside the paper’s dubious label, and the affronts the authors’ statements present to serious scholarship, there are four particularly egregious errors in the paper. They are:
- Faulty International Data
- Conclusions About Firearms and Suicide That Run Counter to the Facts
- Repeating the Discredited “More Guns, Less Crime” Theory
- Referencing Impossible Defensive Gun Use Numbers
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Despite its lack of academic rigor, Kates and Mauser’s paper will inevitably be recirculated again and again. Paradoxically, this is because gun-rights advocates believe it is product of Harvard, the same university that conservatives frequently denigrate as a bastion of elitism.

wilber · « **Reply #263 on:** December 06, 2022, 12:19:42 pm »

This is identity politics, Canada doesn't know where crime guns come from.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun-crime-statistics-1.4779702

If anything has changed since 2018, the government should be able to provide the data.

waldo · « **Reply #264 on:** December 06, 2022, 12:19:59 pm »

Quote from: Boges on December 06, 2022, 08:52:44 am

It does appear they've tried to ram through a ban of a bunch of long guns that Law-abiding hunters and target shooters own.

And now they're lying about it and using the Polytechnique shooting as cover.

Quite despicable actually.

oh please! The related Bill is in committee... following the process soliciting public/stakeholder feedback on guns listed within the initial bill, the same process applies to the amendment put forward! But why let that lil' ditty get in the way of the misinforming & rage-farming pro-gun lobby and its support base!

waldo · « **Reply #265 on:** December 06, 2022, 12:25:18 pm »

Quote from: wilber on December 06, 2022, 12:19:42 pm

This is identity politics, Canada doesn't know where crime guns come from.

If anything has changed since 2018, the government should be able to provide the data.

hey wilber! You keep nattering on about "identity politics"... define it/your usage of same - sure you can, hey!

you already referenced a guy who claimed, "more guns equals less crime"... make sure you weave that into your answer! LOL!

wilber · « **Reply #266 on:** December 06, 2022, 12:27:22 pm »

Quote from: waldo on December 06, 2022, 12:25:18 pm

hey wilber! You keep nattering on about "identity politics"... define it/your usage of same - sure you can, hey!

you already referenced a guy who claimed, "more guns equals less crime"... make sure you weave that into your answer! LOL!

Read the effing article you dolt. Or isn't the CBC good enough for you?

wilber · « **Reply #267 on:** December 06, 2022, 12:29:27 pm »

Waldo wants to live in a world where a citizen has to prove to government that they need or want something, not a world where government has to prove a citizen why they can't have it.

waldo · « **Reply #268 on:** December 06, 2022, 12:32:53 pm »

Quote from: wilber on December 06, 2022, 12:27:22 pm

Read the effing article you dolt. Or isn't the CBC good enough for you?

uhhh... you've been using that phrase quite... liberally... lately! Excuse the waldo for, apparently, putting you on the spot to explain your intent/usage of the phrase in the broad subject context that you're post-peppering!

waldo · « **Reply #269 on:** December 06, 2022, 12:38:23 pm »

Quote from: wilber on December 06, 2022, 12:29:27 pm

Waldo wants to live in a world where a citizen has to prove to government that they need or want something, not a world where government has to prove a citizen why they can't have it.

geezaz wilber! That's quite the reach. So... are you of the same mind as your linked reference - that, "more guns equals less crime"? Well are ya?

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