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Offline kimmy

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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #195 on: August 03, 2022, 10:17:46 pm »
c'mon member kimmy! Public Safety Canada is asking you to, 'share your thoughts'!



Well, if I understand this correctly, they've come up with 11 price categories, and the compensation for any of the 1500+ guns on the Newly Prohibited list will be whichever one of the 11 categories it has been prohibited under.

If that's the case, then I will be thrilled, but a lot of other people will be hella mad. Here's why.

My Newly Prohibited Rifle is a Norinco M305, which is a Chinese clone of the Springfield M1A, which is itself a civilian, single-fire version of the M14.  It looks like this:



According to the price list, the compensation for M14 variants is $2612.  Why am I delighted? Because I only paid 400 bucks for my Norinco M305, sometime around 2014-2015. They were retailing for around $700 in 2020 before the ban.  So I make out like a bandit, even adjusting for inflation and considering a few after market parts I purchased.

People who own a genuine Springfield M1A, on the other hand, are probably losing money. Especially people who bought match-grade precision models made for competition shooting. They'll be furious.  Coming up with a single price for a category that has a variety of products in it is unworkable.

So then we go over to the AR-15 category which has an even wider range of prices.  They've picked a price of $1337 (which I have to believe is a deliberate trolling attempt by the LEET HAXX0RS at Public Safety Canada). Some low-end products retailed for somewhere around $900 prior to the ban, as I recall.  But others sold for well over $2000.

Things aren't so bad for fairly homogenous categories (like the Beretta Cx4 carbine , the Swiss Arms rifles, the Robinson Arms rifles) but things get absurd when you look at the idea of trying to assign a single price to ridiculously broad categories like "any firearm with a bore greater than 20mm" (which could be anything from a $200 flare gun or a tired old shotgun to an antique collectible shotgun or black powder musket) or "any firearm capable of discharging a projectile with energy greater than 10000 Joules" (which doesn't contain anything cheap, but could describe anything from single-shot long-range rifles chambered in 50BMG that sell for around $2000 to incredibly rare and expensive safari guns that auction for 10-20 times that much.)

If Marco Mendocino comes to someone's door and says "You have to give me your $40000 elephant gun, here's $2819 compensation", I doubt he's going to get a friendly response.

My thoughts are that while I'm personally pretty stoked about getting $2612 for my $400 gun, I have a hunch that they're going to get sued.

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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #196 on: August 03, 2022, 11:28:52 pm »
Marco Mendocino's team of gun-price experts:



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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #197 on: August 04, 2022, 12:04:28 am »
c'mon member kimmy! Public Safety Canada is asking you to, 'share your thoughts'!

Some additional thoughts:

Calling this a "buy-back" is completely dishonest. If the buyer is the one who sets the price, and the seller doesn't have the option of declining to sell, then it's not actually a sale. It's confiscation with nominal compensation.

It took New Zealand 8 months to implement their gun ban. It has taken Team Trudeau 2 years and 4 months to get a price list out, and they're still doing white-papers on how the collection and destruction phase of the process is going to work.  They missed their 2 year deadline and gave themselves an 18 month extension back in March.  It will probably be another year or more before deadbeat Justin gives me my fucken money.

I don't think they mind in the least that the program has been so slow. In fact I think it probably amuses them immensely. Politically it doesn't cost them anything to drag this out as long as possible, because the people they're antagonizing are people who don't vote for them anyway. Indeed, antagonizing people like me is something they likely believe is a vote-winner among their voter base of smug metropolitan snobs.

And in the same vein, they'll figure out something else they need to ban. Probably a year or less prior to the next election.  They'll pick some new bogeyman and come up with a new ban to put in front of Parliament just in time to make it an election issue. "We have taken strong action to keep Canadians safe, but there is more work to do! That is why we are introducing new legislation to ban X.  Hunting is a respected tradition in Canada, but you do not need X to bring down a deer."   It's something they'll just keep going back to. It's not about safety, it's about pandering.


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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #198 on: August 04, 2022, 01:23:42 am »
Coming up with a single price for a category that has a variety of products in it is unworkable.

thanks for a detailed and pertinent response; however, the key is in the description, "Proposed Pricing Model". Public Safety Canada (PSC) is seeking feedback to the proposal... "The consultation opened on July 28, 2022, and will close to new input at 11:59 PM on August 28, 2022." PSC emphasizes the proposed price list for individual firearm owners is subject to change.

again, how the proposed price list was determined:

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The proposed price list for individual firearm owners focused on developing a list of prices that reflect what the average Canadian may have paid for an assault-style firearm, identified in the 11 categories above, prior to May 1, 2020. The price list was developed by using data sources that include: manufacturer prices, Canadian retailer prices, foreign retailer prices (e.g. USA/EU), pricing guidebooks and auction listings. Wherever possible, manufacturer prices and Canadian retail prices were given priority.

by the by, while skimming a few gunner sites, the waldo read there are ~70,000 AR-15s owned by individuals across Canada. Speaking of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz4tvxJB790

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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #199 on: August 04, 2022, 10:20:58 pm »
So the buyback isn't voluntary? Yeah it's a compensated confiscation.
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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #200 on: August 04, 2022, 10:31:16 pm »
Kimmy is there a reason you're preparing for war.  Like holy ****.

I also couldn't give 2 fucks about completion shooters.
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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #201 on: August 04, 2022, 11:13:33 pm »
So the buyback isn't voluntary? Yeah it's a compensated confiscation.

see 1996/97 Australia - one of the largest mandatory gun buyback programs ever... ~650,000 privately held guns collected! Another buyback in 2003 resulted in ~69,000 handguns collected. One study I cursory reviewed estimated these buyback programs resulted in ~20% of all firearms in Australia being collected.

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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #202 on: August 06, 2022, 02:08:05 am »


WAPO - Canada to ban handgun imports

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The regulatory measure, announced by Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino and Foreign Minister Mélanie Joly, follows a bill introduced by the government in May to implement a “national freeze” on buying, importing, selling and transferring handguns.

Friday’s measure allows the government to impose that freeze without waiting for Parliament, which is on a summer break until September, to pass the legislation. It’s expected to come into effect in two weeks, reducing the window for gun stores to amass merchandise.
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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #203 on: August 06, 2022, 04:04:28 pm »
see 1996/97 Australia - one of the largest mandatory gun buyback programs ever... ~650,000 privately held guns collected! Another buyback in 2003 resulted in ~69,000 handguns collected. One study I cursory reviewed estimated these buyback programs resulted in ~20% of all firearms in Australia being collected.
So what?  Guns used in crimes in Canada are always illegal guns.  Criminals don’t care about this ban.
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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #204 on: August 07, 2022, 11:38:01 am »
Guns used in crimes in Canada are always illegal guns.

citation request!

here, let the waldo help ya out - carry on!

StatsCan May, 2022 - Trends in firearm-related violent crime in Canada, 2009 to 2020
 
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Of particular concern, there is currently little information available to determine the source of firearms used in crime: for example, whether a gun used in a crime was stolen, illegally purchased or smuggled into the country. This information is sometimes not recorded by police services, recorded inconsistently or, in some cases, the information is simply not available.

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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #205 on: August 07, 2022, 11:47:22 am »
citation request!

here, let the waldo help ya out - carry on!

StatsCan May, 2022 - Trends in firearm-related violent crime in Canada, 2009 to 2020
Try asking local police departments.  Guns used in crimes are either stolen or obtained ILLEGALLY.  Wonder boy’s new proclamation will only affect law abiding citizens.  But wonder boys supporters will clap like trained seals believing this is some kind of accomplishment.
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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #206 on: August 07, 2022, 11:52:34 am »
citation request!

Try asking local police departments.

c'mon Shady! What the hey kind of citation is that?
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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #207 on: August 09, 2022, 03:27:46 pm »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/hiker-shoots-injures-bear-jasper-1.6545399

https://jasperlocal.com/local-news/black-bear-shot-by-park-visitor/

Idiot thought it would be a good idea to shoot a bear that didn’t pose any danger in a national park with a shotgun made to kill birds, not big game.

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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #208 on: August 10, 2022, 09:38:17 am »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/hiker-shoots-injures-bear-jasper-1.6545399

https://jasperlocal.com/local-news/black-bear-shot-by-park-visitor/

Idiot thought it would be a good idea to shoot a bear that didn’t pose any danger in a national park with a shotgun made to kill birds, not big game.

I wonder why they didn't release this ****'s name.

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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #209 on: August 10, 2022, 11:10:53 am »
c'mon Shady! What the hey kind of citation is that?
It's not rocket science my Trudeau worshipping friend.  And guess what dumb arse?  Smuggling weapons is already against the law.  Imagine that, oh my!  Only trained seals, aka Trudeau supporters applaud his meaningless edict.  After all, when it comes to Wonder Boy, it's always symbolism over substance.

Inside the vehicle, a so-called “trap” compartment secreted 20 firearms, including several .40 calibre Smith & Wesson handguns, 9mm Taurus pistols and a silencer. Court documents show the individual driving the vehicle was a Canadian citizen.

The firearms were traced to Southern Florida where more than two dozen handguns were purchased from gun shows and stores between 2018 and 2019, the U.S. Justice Department said. Mackenzie Delmas, 27, was sentenced to almost 20 years in federal prison for smuggling firearms,  U.S. justice officials said.


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The data, based on successful firearms tracing from the Criminal Intelligence Service of Ontario, shows Ohio is the top U.S. source of its crime guns, with 170 traced back to the Buckeye State in 2021.

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Texas has become a leading source with 160, and Florida was third with 159. Georgia accounted for 129 and Michigan with 59.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8845131/ontario-crime-guns-new-data-top-us-source-states/