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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #180 on: February 25, 2021, 08:30:36 pm »
We have higher numbers than some and lower than others. Our rates are lower than say Finland and Germany yet our per capita gun ownership is about the same. If you look at per capita gun ownership rates vs gun homicide rates by country, the numbers are over the map. Gun laws are only part of it.

Do you seriously think even one of the gang bangers shooting up the lower mainland is using a legally purchased hand gun, has a PAL or any other kind of permit? Our border is pretty much a sieve for this kind of stuff.

Once again, you’re ignoring the fact (see the studies in the link) that the harder guns are to get, the less gun deaths there are. 

“This won’t do anything to take guns away from gang bangers” is a non-argument that ignores facts.No one is saying these guns will disappear from the black market tomorrow.  It’s asinine to frame it as if that’s what anyone is trying to do, or thinks it will do.

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« Reply #181 on: February 25, 2021, 08:46:54 pm »
Once again, you’re ignoring the fact (see the studies in the link) that the harder guns are to get, the less gun deaths there are. 

“This won’t do anything to take guns away from gang bangers” is a non-argument that ignores facts.No one is saying these guns will disappear from the black market tomorrow.  It’s asinine to frame it as if that’s what anyone is trying to do, or thinks it will do.

it's exactly what they are claiming it will do. Why else do it?
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« Reply #182 on: June 12, 2022, 12:12:42 pm »
re:the first iteration of Bill C-21... that eventually 'died' on the Order Paper given dissolution of Parliament in lieu of the election call:
hey now, Bill C-21 introduced just days ago: offers you gunners a bit of a reprieve should you choose not to leverage the buyback - win, win, hey!


2nd iteration of Bill C-21: key aspects of the bill in regards gun safety/control:

=> capping the market for handguns
=> through a planned bill C-21 amendment, an intent aiming to ban an even larger number of assault-style weapons than the 1500 originally identified
=> harsher criminal penalties for trafficking and smuggling guns
=> a "red flag" gun control law
=> stripping firearm licenses from people involved with domestic violence
=> notice that the mandatory buyback program for identified & banned assault-style weapons is progressing with further details waiting for consultations with industry on compensation - suggested available later this summer

Quote from: Coalition for Gun Control, a group founded in the wake of the 1989 École Polytechnique massacre in Montreal
This proposed law will strengthen screening processes for gun licences with a particular focus on risk factors associated with domestic violence, but also suicide and hate crimes.

The game-changer is the proposed national ban on the sale and importation of handguns which will stem the flow of these guns. Legal handguns are a significant source of handguns used in crime and are the guns most often used in mass shootings. Canadians want them banned.

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« Reply #183 on: June 12, 2022, 12:18:40 pm »
the majority of this latest iteration of Bill C-21 is in line with the original tabled bill... as below,  the latest Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police (CACP) statement of support for Bill C-21:


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« Reply #184 on: June 12, 2022, 12:23:22 pm »
emphasizing a key focus of Bill C-21 support in the statement from the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police (CACP):

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This is why we particularly support the implementation of new firearms-related offences, intensified border controls, and strengthened penalties to help deter criminal activities and to combat firearms smuggling and trafficking, thereby reducing the risk that illegal firearms find their way into Canadian communities and are used to commit criminal offences.

relative to this targeted support reference, the following is in Bill C-21 and aligns with that referenced CACP support; specifically:
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Fighting gun smuggling and trafficking by increasing criminal penalties, providing more tools for law enforcement to investigate firearms crimes, and strengthening border security measures:

To combat firearms trafficking and smuggling and increase law enforcement capacity to combat firearms violence, the Government is proposing amendments to:

    - increase maximum penalties from 10 to 14 years imprisonment for firearms-related offences, including firearms smuggling and trafficking;
    - authorize wiretaps for two firearms offences;
    - allow sharing of certain firearms registration data with law enforcement across Canada in cases of suspected straw purchasing;
    - make it an offence to alter a cartridge magazine to exceed its lawful capacity and allow for wiretaps for this new offence;
    - make it an offence for businesses to promote violence in firearms marketing and sales;
    - require a person to present a valid firearms licence to import non-prohibited ammunition for firearms (following consultations);
    - improve the ability of the CBSA to manage inadmissibility to Canada when foreign nationals commit regulatory offences upon entry to Canada, including firearm-related offences; and
    - transfer policy responsibility for transborder criminality from the Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship to the Minister of Public Safety.

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« Reply #185 on: June 12, 2022, 12:28:01 pm »


a WAPO opinion piece: Trudeau’s sweeping gun control bill is no knee-jerk reaction

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After the Uvalde and Buffalo shootings — but not because of them — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government announced firearm-control legislation. Bill C-21 includes a suite of measures to regulate and limit guns in the country. Central to that plan is a freeze on buying, selling or transferring handguns. But that’s not all. On top of the current assault rifle ban and prohibition on owning “assault-style weapons,” the proposed changes would limit magazine capacity, remove gun licenses from domestic abusers, ban the sale of certain toy guns that look like the real thing, and create red- and yellow-flag laws to remove firearms from those who might be a risk to themselves or others. The legislation also would boost penalties for gun crimes and increase police officers’ ability to deal with weapons-trafficking and gun violence.
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The bill will likely pass. The Conservatives might stall the bill — they’ve already tried by way of filibuster — but it should get done. The government has time and stability thanks to support in the House of Commons from the New Democratic Party, whose members will likely support much in C-21. Mendicino says the government has support from survivors of gun violence, police, municipalities and, he expects, Canadians more broadly. On top of it all, the government has the benefit of a country that isn’t obsessed with gun culture and has a far weaker gun lobby than the United States does.

However, if the Liberals truly want to tackle long-term gun violence and deaths, they ought to be open to amendments. In the face of new evidence and a changing national and international landscape, they must keep a close eye on how they can do better.


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« Reply #186 on: June 12, 2022, 12:39:32 pm »
I have a lot to say about the handgun stuff, but I will break that off into the Canadian firearms related thread that already exists somewhere around here.....

the waldo waits with bated breath.....


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« Reply #187 on: June 12, 2022, 02:58:47 pm »
What do mass shootings in the US and US gun laws have to do with Canadian gun laws?  Nothing zero zippo.

*Shooting in Texas because their gun laws suck*
Trudeau/Liberals:  "ZOMG we need to change our gun laws".

In reality this legislation was already cooked and ready to go, the Libs were just waiting for the next gun tragedy so they had cover to put it through.  Lawyers and MP's don't write up legislation in a matter of days.

Awaiting the waldoganda response, courtesy of the Liberal Ministry of Truth.  Hey maybe some lurkers will buy some of the snake-oil you're selling.  Hi lurkers!!!

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« Reply #188 on: June 12, 2022, 05:03:20 pm »
In reality this legislation was already cooked and ready to go, the Libs were just waiting for the next gun tragedy so they had cover to put it through.  Lawyers and MP's don't write up legislation in a matter of days.

you're tooooooo easy Nipples! This latest iteration of Bill C-21 is, effectively, the first iteration of the bill as introduced to Parliament (Feb, 2021) plus amendments. As I said earlier, the bill as initially presented eventually 'died' on the Order Paper given the dissolution of Parliament in lieu of the election call.

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« Reply #189 on: June 16, 2022, 04:16:17 am »
you're tooooooo easy Nipples! This latest iteration of Bill C-21 is, effectively, the first iteration of the bill as introduced to Parliament (Feb, 2021) plus amendments. As I said earlier, the bill as initially presented eventually 'died' on the Order Paper given the dissolution of Parliament in lieu of the election call.

LOL! Clearly the ignorant Nipples didn't realize Bill C-21 has a history... and a reintroduction (with amendments) was a part of the election platform.

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« Reply #190 on: June 18, 2022, 11:21:58 am »
Looking for Reasons to Be Hopeful About Gun Legislation --- Canada initiates more real progress and, in this country, something would be better than nothing.



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The first, coming south from Canada, is that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is trying to act on what ought to be a basic concept of a liberal democracy: that nobody who lives in one has any need for a handgun. The law he proposed, less than a week after the Texas school shooting, is part of a package of measures that—on top of other policies he has put in place over the past few years, including, in 2020, an order-in-council banning fifteen hundred types of military-style weapons—would make obtaining a handgun, which is already difficult in Canada, even more difficult, indeed next to impossible. It would effect a “capping” of the sale of handguns in Canada, by stopping their import. “What this means is that it will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer, or import handguns anywhere in Canada,” Trudeau said. Since there are already about a million handguns in Canada, and more still crossing the border from, well, us, the abolition will not be complete. But, when the new anti-gun legislation is passed, as it almost certainly will be—Trudeau, with the support of the leftward New Democratic Party, has a working majority in Parliament—it will, as he said, increase “maximum criminal penalties, providing more tools for law enforcement to investigate firearm crimes.” (The new law would also require that long-gun magazines hold no more than five rounds.) “Gun violence is a complex problem, but at the end of the day the math is really quite simple: the fewer the guns in our communities, the safer everyone will be,” the Prime Minister said, quite correctly. No social science could be more robust in its conclusions than that the presence of guns produces violence with guns. The more guns, the more gun murders. Trudeau added, also correctly, that, while most gun owners use their handguns safely and lawfully, “we don’t need assault-style weapons that were designed to kill the largest number of people in the shortest amount of time.”

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« Reply #191 on: July 25, 2022, 03:36:02 pm »
JFC.

3 confirmed dead, including suspect, after multiple shootings in Langley, B.C.


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Two victims are dead and two others are seriously hurt after a series of shootings in Langley, B.C., prompted emergency alerts to the public on Monday.

A suspect was later identified and shot dead by RCMP, ending a series of attacks police believe were targeted at homeless people in the area.

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« Reply #192 on: July 29, 2022, 01:36:10 am »
the Minister of Public Safety, Marco Mendicino, announces proposed pricing model for assault-style firearms buyback program

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Canadians deserve to feel safe in their communities. That is why the Government of Canada developed a comprehensive plan that gets firearms off our streets and puts more resources into our communities. A central part of this work is a ban on assault-style firearms, like AR-15s. Since May 2020, our Government has prohibited more than 1,500 different models of assault-style firearms from being used or sold in Canada. Beyond just banning these firearms, the Government has also committed to  establishing a buyback program to remove assault-style firearms from our communities for good.

The Honourable Marco Mendicino, Minister of Public Safety, today announced a significant step in the development of the mandatory buyback program. The Government published the proposed price list, which details the compensation that owners would receive when their firearms are bought back. The Government welcomes the opinions and insights of firearms owners on the proposed list, from now until August 28, 2022. The goal of this consultation is to receive input from firearms owners, businesses and industry on the proposed compensation amounts.

No single program or initiative can tackle the challenge of gun violence on its own. That is why the ban and buyback are two of the many elements in the Government’s comprehensive plan to keep Canadians safe. This begins at our borders, where we’ve added resources to fight smuggling and stop guns from coming into Canada. We’re investing in prevention programs to tackle the root causes of gun crime and stop it before it starts. Finally, we recently introduced Bill C-21 – the most significant action on gun violence in Canada in a generation – which includes a national freeze on handgun ownership, new “red flag” laws to stop domestic violence, and tougher penalties for organized crime.

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« Reply #193 on: July 29, 2022, 01:39:26 am »
c'mon member kimmy! Public Safety Canada is asking you to, 'share your thoughts'!


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« Reply #194 on: July 30, 2022, 11:56:36 pm »
How has any of those guns ever been legal in this country?  What kind of psychopathic loser would have any need to own one, besides making themselves feel tough (psychopathic loser syndrome).
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