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Offline wilber

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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #165 on: February 23, 2021, 10:21:30 am »

I have many gun owners in my family.  They're all hunters.  No issues with them.  I know a few people who own guns because they like to pretend they're in the military or something.  These people are morons IMO and their rights to these guns are irrelevant.

Everything is extremes with you. I've known plenty of gun owners, some collectors, some just like shooting as a recreation. They weren't pretending to be anything.
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« Reply #166 on: February 24, 2021, 01:04:45 am »
in the news, the National Firearms Association that claims to be, "the leading voice for firearms rights", in Canada:

a House of Commons committee will be asked Monday (today) to censure the National Firearms Association (NFA) over comments the association’s president made in a recent conference call... comments that came the day after the Trudeau Liberal government introduced new firearms legislation that proposes a buyback program for about 1,500 different firearms... models that the government last May classified as prohibited - the NFA opposes that legislation.

Quote from: Sheldon Clare, president of the National Firearms Association
If they think that I have advocated violence in any way, they should have me charged. And I certainly have not. I’ve merely related comments from upset people who have a real big problem with tyranny. And I think that the virtue-signaling woke liberal left has a problem with being called out as being tyrants.

results of the censure/condemnation vote: the HoC Committee on Public Safety and Security voted to condemn comments made last week by the National Firearms Association. Liberal, NDP and BQ committee MPs all voted in favour... all 4 CPC MPs abstained.

so, of course, the CPC and its supporters deflected away criticism of the CPC abstain votes by highlighting the Liberal cabinet members abstaining in the HoC vote to declare that China is committing genocide against Uighurs and other Turkic Muslims in its western Xinjiang region. Oh my - considering the Liberal cabinet abstained in consideration of a possible negative impact upon the '2 Michaels'... while the CPC MPs abstained so as not to be seen as being critical towards the National Firearms Association! Oh my!

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« Reply #167 on: February 24, 2021, 09:46:24 pm »
Anybody who found those cartoons threatening is obviously too fragile to live outside of an institutional environment.

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« Reply #168 on: February 24, 2021, 10:15:48 pm »


the NFA that has been preparing to run “custom attack ads” against Liberal members of Parliament it hopes to help defeat in the next general election
... most notably, a vocal critic of the NFA, Liberal MP Pam Damoff (Ontario riding of Oakville North — Burlington). And you Erin O'Foole, what say you
about the NFA policy/practice - what say you, hey?


Anybody who found those cartoons threatening is obviously too fragile to live outside of an institutional environment.

these 'cartoons' that you're too fragile to even reference directly? I'm shocked you're so dismissive of them... given the gunner you are I thought perhaps you might actually have something to say about them... their content... and how the NRA North National Firearms Association is peddling them! By the by, have you figured out what you're going to spend your buyback money on, hey?  ;D

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« Reply #169 on: February 24, 2021, 10:27:50 pm »
these 'cartoons' that you're too fragile to even reference directly? I'm shocked you're so dismissive of them... given the gunner you are I thought perhaps you might actually have something to say about them... their content... and how the NRA North National Firearms Association is peddling them! By the by, have you figured out what you're going to spend your buyback money on, hey?  ;D

It's been almost a year and what's his name still hasn't come out with the slightest inkling of a plan as far as the buy-back. I assume they're still trying to find the right Liberal-connected firm to operate it. When the plan does arrive does I have little doubt that it'll be a farce that offers pennies on the dollar, so at this point I'm not budgeting for anything more extravagant than a trip to Starbucks. Unless the incentive is appropriate I may decline to participate.

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« Reply #170 on: February 24, 2021, 10:56:01 pm »
It's been almost a year and what's his name still hasn't come out with the slightest inkling of a plan as far as the buy-back. I assume they're still trying to find the right Liberal-connected firm to operate it. When the plan does arrive does I have little doubt that it'll be a farce that offers pennies on the dollar, so at this point I'm not budgeting for anything more extravagant than a trip to Starbucks. Unless the incentive is appropriate I may decline to participate.

still... still... nuthin to say about the toons?

hey now, Bill C-21 introduced just days ago: offers you gunners a bit of a reprieve should you choose not to leverage the buyback - win, win, hey!


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« Reply #171 on: February 24, 2021, 11:06:04 pm »
still... still... nuthin to say about the toons?

I don't find them particularly insightful, but beyond that I don't get what the fuss is about.  Like I said before, anybody who is worked up over them is clearly too fragile.

hey now, Bill C-21 introduced just days ago: offers you gunners a bit of a reprieve should you choose not to leverage the buyback - win, win, hey! 

Yes, they already told us it would be voluntary. So when do they get around to the part where they talk about compensation?

WHERE'S MY GOD DAMN MONEY JUSTIN YOU FUCKEN DEADBEAT


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« Reply #172 on: February 25, 2021, 12:32:04 pm »
I don't find them particularly insightful, but beyond that I don't get what the fuss is about.  Like I said before, anybody who is worked up over them is clearly too fragile.

the toons have a very NRA look/feel to them. How am I not surprised you won't speak to their purposeful misinformation, fear peddling, lies, etc.. In any case I doubt many have seen those toons - unless you follow blogs/twitter. The key point is how they (the National Firearms Association) continually flout their intent to run ads of a similar nature/kind targeted towards the general public, targeted against Liberal MPs they position as being profile anti-gunners... attempting to defeat them in the next election!

Yes, they already told us it would be voluntary. So when do they get around to the part where they talk about compensation?

WHERE'S MY GOD DAMN MONEY JUSTIN YOU FUCKEN DEADBEAT

so, good to have declare you're willing to take the cash... and run - that your targeted guns aren't a part of your being, of your self! Good on ya!

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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #173 on: February 25, 2021, 02:03:25 pm »
still... still... nuthin to say about the toons?

hey now, Bill C-21 introduced just days ago: offers you gunners a bit of a reprieve should you choose not to leverage the buyback - win, win, hey!



So why would any aspiring mass murderer turn in their weapon and why would they give a **** about any law that says they can't use it?
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« Reply #174 on: February 25, 2021, 03:02:33 pm »
So why would any aspiring mass murderer turn in their weapon and why would they give a **** about any law that says they can't use it?

That’s a very short-sighted view on what gun control does Wilber. 

For example, banning automatic weapons doesn’t take them out of the hands of criminals, either...   so why not let law abiding gun owners have fun at the range with a full auto? 

If you consider that they are nearly impossible to get illegally because they are not available legally, then gun control measures actually make sense.  You can’t just look at one measure and say “the criminals will ignore it”.  No sh!t...  of course they will.  But if you look at the larger view where these guns will slowly get harder and harder for criminals to come by, then it makes sense.

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Santaella-Tenorio's study (co-authored with Columbia professors Magdalena Cerdá and Sandro Galea, as well as the University of North Carolina's Andrés Villaveces) examined roughly 130 studies that had been conducted in 10 different countries. Each of those 130 studies had looked at some specific change in gun laws and its effect on homicide and/or suicide rates. Most of them looked at law changes in the developed world, such as the US, Australia, and Austria, while a few looked at gun laws in developing countries, specifically Brazil and South Africa.

This isn't, then, a study that compiled its own original data on one specific gun law. It's actually more valuable than that: It's telling us what all the different studies on individual laws say when you examine them put together.

So what do Santaella-Tenorio et al. conclude? First, and most importantly, that gun violence declined after countries pass a raft of gun laws at the same time: "The simultaneous implementation of laws targeting multiple firearms restrictions is associated with reductions in firearm deaths," the study finds.

This finding doesn't highlight one specific law, like an assault weapon ban, in isolation. There were "so many different kinds of laws," Santaella-Tenorio told me, that it was hard to make good international comparisons on every specific kind of gun restriction.

https://www.vox.com/2016/2/29/11120184/gun-control-study-international-evidence
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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #175 on: February 25, 2021, 03:27:06 pm »
That’s a very short-sighted view on what gun control does Wilber. 

For example, banning automatic weapons doesn’t take them out of the hands of criminals, either...   so why not let law abiding gun owners have fun at the range with a full auto? 

If you consider that they are nearly impossible to get illegally because they are not available legally, then gun control measures actually make sense.  You can’t just look at one measure and say “the criminals will ignore it”.  No sh!t...  of course they will.  But if you look at the larger view where these guns will slowly get harder and harder for criminals to come by, then it makes sense.

Full auto weapons aren't even legal in the US. They may be difficult to get illegally on the Island but there is very little stopping them from coming over the border where  I live.
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« Reply #176 on: February 25, 2021, 03:40:53 pm »
Full auto weapons aren't even legal in the US. They may be difficult to get illegally on the Island but there is very little stopping them from coming over the border where  I live.

I think you ignored the point there....

 Gun crime is never committed by full auto anything.  Maybe some people will perform a hack, but there is a reason it doesn’t happen ...  they just aren’t accessible.


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« Reply #177 on: February 25, 2021, 04:04:56 pm »
I think you ignored the point there....

 Gun crime is never committed by full auto anything.  Maybe some people will perform a hack, but there is a reason it doesn’t happen ...  they just aren’t accessible.

No it isn't and making all semi auto long guns or even hand guns illegal isn't going to make much difference to gun crime either, considering our close proximity to the US.

WW1 and 2 Lee Enfields are the fastest firing bolt action rifles ever made and had a ten round magazine. Hundreds of thousands of them were converted to sporting rifles during the fifties and sixties. You could buy one at your local hardware for 30 bucks.

I'm not a proponent of guns for self defence against other humans or the idea that gun possession is some kind of deterrent to bad guys. I do have a problem with a mentality that makes good guys the target just because they own one of these things.
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« Reply #178 on: February 25, 2021, 04:40:35 pm »
No it isn't and making all semi auto long guns or even hand guns illegal isn't going to make much difference to gun crime either, considering our close proximity to the US.

Not true at all.  If this was the case, our gun control measures currently in place wouldn’t be working.  They clearly are, as we have much lower gun crime rates than the USA. 

I believe ours are in line with other western democracies...  so why aren’t they a lot higher, since you contend that the USA makes our controls moot?


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I'm not a proponent of guns for self defence against other humans or the idea that gun possession is some kind of deterrent to bad guys. I do have a problem with a mentality that makes good guys the target just because they own one of these things.

To eliminate the bad guys getting the guns, the good guys will have to lose their guns.  Finding the balance is the key...   personally, I don’t think we’ve gone far enough yet.

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« Reply #179 on: February 25, 2021, 04:54:40 pm »
Not true at all.  If this was the case, our gun control measures currently in place wouldn’t be working.  They clearly are, as we have much lower gun crime rates than the USA. 

I believe ours are in line with other western democracies...  so why aren’t they a lot higher, since you contend that the USA makes our controls moot?




We have higher numbers than some and lower than others. Our rates are lower than say Finland and Germany yet our per capita gun ownership is about the same. If you look at per capita gun ownership rates vs gun homicide rates by country, the numbers are over the map. Gun laws are only part of it.

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To eliminate the bad guys getting the guns, the good guys will have to lose their guns.  Finding the balance is the key...   personally, I don’t think we’ve gone far enough yet.

Do you seriously think even one of the gang bangers shooting up the lower mainland is using a legally purchased hand gun, has a PAL or any other kind of permit? Our border is pretty much a sieve for this kind of stuff.
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