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Offline waldo

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« Reply #135 on: May 29, 2020, 03:31:13 pm »
The next flaw and the one many who would otherwise support rifle regulation oppose is that it does not address illegal smuggling in of firearms or criminals or mentally ill getting their hands on weapons.

Nov 8, 2018: Liberals will spend $86 million to tackle rise in gang and gun violence

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Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale and Bill Blair, the minister of border security and organized crime reduction, announced Thursday that $51.5 million will be spent over five years for the Canada Border Services Agency to build an all-weather detector dog training facility, deploy more sniffer dog teams and expand X-ray technology at postal centres and air cargo facilities. More training on detecting concealed items in vehicles entering Canada is also planned.

Another $34.5 million will go to the RCMP to enhance investigations, training, inspections, technology and intelligence.

The money comes from a $327 million pot to tackle gangs and gun violence announced last year. Of that sum, $200 million will go to provinces and territories to address regional needs.

Aug 26, 2019: Federal government gives Ontario $54 million to fight illegal guns and gangs

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The federal government is giving Ontario $54 million over the next three years to combat illegal gun and gang activity, with the funds earmarked for specialized prosecutors, policing projects and intelligence-gathering efforts in jails.

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« Reply #136 on: May 29, 2020, 04:20:32 pm »
You could say that about hundreds of potentially dangerous things that are on store shelves. People make bombs out of fertilizer.

How does it make sure that they will get into the hands of "those people" when you need a PAL to buy one?

Well you could check the stats of rates of gun deaths between countries with tight gun laws compared to those like the US who have weak gun laws and, hint, hint, the highest rates. Of course there always the Charlton Heston approach and you can wait to have your gun taken from you "when they can pry it from my cold dead hands". I'll go for the tighter law concept.

https://interactive.guim.co.uk/charts/embed/mar/2016-03-11T12:33:28.html
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« Reply #137 on: May 29, 2020, 11:28:06 pm »
Well you could check the stats of rates of gun deaths between countries with tight gun laws compared to those like the US who have weak gun laws and, hint, hint, the highest rates. Of course there always the Charlton Heston approach and you can wait to have your gun taken from you "when they can pry it from my cold dead hands". I'll go for the tighter law concept.

https://interactive.guim.co.uk/charts/embed/mar/2016-03-11T12:33:28.html
We have tighter laws, much tighter.
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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #138 on: June 01, 2020, 11:44:16 am »
Nov 8, 2018: Liberals will spend $86 million to tackle rise in gang and gun violence

Aug 26, 2019: Federal government gives Ontario $54 million to fight illegal guns and gangs

That is something yes point taken..but is it just feel good stuff.?Does it really address the issues of  how easy it is to smuggle weapons because of how long our border is? You think it will have any difference on how guns get smuggled in or with gangs? The proximity of living next door to a country with no shortage of weapons makes preventing smuggling of weapons an almost impossible task.

Preventing police from shaking down known gang members during regular patrols has added to the problem although I appreciate why people feel profiling is racist or fascist or both. I get that.

I do agree to your point it is something but I think its token gestures. So this brings us back to what kind of security measures do we want on our borders? The reality is we do not have sufficient money to police our borders and so guns will keep coming in illegally like drugs. Like drugs you can outlaw the sale of them but they end up on the streets. The border control issue is a non partisan issue that plagues any Prime Minister.
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« Reply #139 on: June 07, 2020, 01:55:06 pm »
Well I can assure of one thing, leaving weapons on store shelves is one way to make sure they will get into the hands of those people. But you already knew that, right? duh!

Actually it's hard for mentally ill people to get an RPAL, and the provincial firearms officers can and do remove guns from owners who they believe may be a danger to others or themselves.

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« Reply #140 on: June 07, 2020, 05:21:47 pm »
Actually it's hard for mentally ill people to get an RPAL

So you're under the naive assumption that most people with mental health issues are diagnosed (if there's even anything to officially diagnose them with). Cute.
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« Reply #141 on: June 09, 2020, 12:37:40 am »
So you're under the naive assumption that most people with mental health issues are diagnosed (if there's even anything to officially diagnose them with). Cute.

The evidence says that Canada's firearms licensing works.  Holders of firearms licenses are the most scrutinized people in Canada.  People with something to hide seldom volunteer themselves to this sort of scrutiny from the authorities.  People with firearms licenses commit less crime, and less homicide, than the general populace.

This RCMP report elaborates on the measures taken to make sure that people with firearms licenses aren't a threat to the public.
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/2018-commissioner-firearms-report
One of the things they have is "continuous eligibility screening", which is to say that any number of minor events, or even a call to a snitch line, could cause the authorities to reevaluate whether you should have firearms.
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Continuous eligibility screening of firearms licence holders

Under the continuous eligibility regime, at any point during an individual's licence validity period, an event could occur that could prompt a review of their eligibility to hold a firearms licence.

If a firearms licence holder is involved in an event which could affect their eligibility (as defined by section 5 of the Firearms Act), it is reported by law enforcement via the Canadian Police Information Centre (CPIC) database and sent to the relevant CFO for review. An event can also be registered by individuals using the CFP's 1-800 number or by the courts with the issuance of a Firearms Prohibiton Order. A CFO is authorized to investigate the incident to determine if the client remains eligible to hold a licence.


If Gabriel Wortman had attempted to get a firearms license, he'd have likely been rejected due to his known history of violence.

If he had a license, he'd have probably have lost his license and had his firearms confiscated after one or more of:
 -the report of domestic violence
 -the two reports that he had illegal firearms
 -the report that he "wanted to kill a cop"
 -several other bizarre incidents with police or neighbors.

If people who don't have firearms licenses were held to the same standard as those of us who do, the numerous red flags that Gabriel Wortman presented would have most likely would have alerted the police to the dangers he posed.  Which makes it very unfortunate that the government continues to focus all its attention on legal firearms owners rather than people like Wortman.


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Re: Canada gunz
« Reply #142 on: June 09, 2020, 11:42:22 am »
That in no way addressed what I said to you.