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Bernier Quits CPC to form new federal party
« on: August 23, 2018, 01:06:55 pm »
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/08/23/maxime-bernier-quits-conservatives-new-party_a_23508059/

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HALIFAX — Maxime Bernier is forming his own pan-Canadian political party.

The party will be based on right-wing free-market principles. A senior advisor told HuffPost it could be comparable to Alberta's Wildrose party.

"I don't know what's going to happen. It's a big gamble," a source close to Bernier told HuffPost Canada Thursday morning. "But Maxime, he is there to defend his ideas. He doesn't want to make any more compromises." (cont...)

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Re: Bernier Quits CPC to form new federal party
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2018, 04:41:14 pm »
Wow!

Good luck forming a new party and finding 338 candidates for each riding and the funding to lead a nationwide campaign within the next year.

Bernier sounds like a sore loser who wants Scheer's CPC to lose more than he wants the Liberals to lose.  What a huge tactical mistake.  Admire his gumption I guess?
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2018, 04:50:45 pm »
Wow!

Good luck forming a new party and finding 338 candidates for each riding and the funding to lead a nationwide campaign within the next year.

Bernier sounds like a sore loser who wants Scheer's CPC to lose more than he wants the Liberals to lose.  What a huge tactical mistake.  Admire his gumption I guess?

I suspect Scheer will succeed in losing without any help from Bernier or anyone else. I suspect people don't trust him not to turn to the extreme right. He hastily promised not to re visit issues such as access to abortion, which I think I think gives people pause to think that's exactly what he would do.
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Re: Bernier Quits CPC to form new federal party
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2018, 05:11:38 pm »
I suspect Scheer will succeed in losing without any help from Bernier or anyone else. I suspect people don't trust him not to turn to the extreme right. He hastily promised not to re visit issues such as access to abortion, which I think I think gives people pause to think that's exactly what he would do.

It's something their opponents always try to stick on the Conservatives, they did it with Harper and they will do it with every CPC leader regardless of who it is. Nine years of Harper and nothing but that doesn't matter, it's politics.

Trudeau must be very happy today.
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2018, 05:41:28 pm »
I suspect Scheer will succeed in losing without any help from Bernier or anyone else. I suspect people don't trust him not to turn to the extreme right. He hastily promised not to re visit issues such as access to abortion, which I think I think gives people pause to think that's exactly what he would do.

That was the fear with Harper too, his "hidden agenda" that never happened.  If Scheer wanted to take away say abortion rights or gay marriage rights  the CPC would be swiftly voted out the next election, which is why the Harper gov never messed with those issues.

If Scheer loses I think it's because yes he has some views many people don't like but he's also not that likeable, has a permanent weird grin, and doesn't seem like a strong leader.
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2018, 05:52:03 pm »
That was the fear with Harper too, his "hidden agenda" that never happened.  If Scheer wanted to take away say abortion rights or gay marriage rights  the CPC would be swiftly voted out the next election, which is why the Harper gov never messed with those issues.

If Scheer loses I think it's because yes he has some views many people don't like but he's also not that likeable, has a permanent weird grin, and doesn't seem like a strong leader.

Never messed with those issues?
Ever heard of "The Unborn Victims of Crime Act" which Harper voted for but of course died on the order paper.

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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2018, 06:45:32 pm »
Never messed with those issues?
Ever heard of "The Unborn Victims of Crime Act" which Harper voted for but of course died on the order paper.

No never heard of it.  Looked it up.  Interesting.

It wasn't an abortion law, but I see your point, it could be considered "abortion creep", that's probably what the NDP argued, legit concern.  26 or so Liberals voted "yes" on it too:

The bill summary: "This enactment amends the Criminal Code by making it an offence to injure, cause the death of or attempt to cause the death of a child before or during its birth while committing or attempting to commit an offence against the mother."

So there's cases of domestic violence in Canada of men killing the fetus and can't be charged with killing it because it isn't legally human for existing laws to matter and no law covering fetuses.
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Re: Bernier Quits CPC to form new federal party
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2018, 07:02:36 pm »
I think Bernier was angry at the party not giving him a position and not taking him seriously. When he talked about the possible disunity of too much diversity he was attacked by a number of prominent party people, in part because I think the leadership is sensitive to him trying to position himself as a rival to Scheer. That affronted his sense of dignity. Then within days the party was attacking Trudeau in a similar vein, over that woman in the field. I think he got indignant over that - evidence his later tweets. But what he doesn't seem to get is Trudeau gave them cover to attack him on the subject. And I think Michelle Rempel, the Tory immigration critic, came out with some reasonable talking points about reforming immigration, partly in response to him and partly to the recent poll showing half of Canadians thought immigration was too high. He should have worked with her instead of getting insulted, picking up his toys and marching off into the sunset.

A number of media observers have pointed out that if he had any real support within caucus they'd have been at the podium with him. But he was alone. I don't think he's going to get the kind of money and support necessary to start any kind of realistic alternative party in Canada. It's possible he might do something in Quebec, but his lack of language skills are going to hamper him elsewhere.
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2018, 07:08:11 pm »
I suspect Scheer will succeed in losing without any help from Bernier or anyone else. I suspect people don't trust him not to turn to the extreme right. He hastily promised not to re visit issues such as access to abortion, which I think I think gives people pause to think that's exactly what he would do.

More sorry-assed secret agenda bullshit. "oooooo! He's pro choice! Oooooo! Scary scary! He's going to ban abortion!!"

Maybe if you people on the far fringes of the far left had policies that people didn't laugh at you wouldn't constantly have to demonize everyone else.
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2018, 07:17:49 pm »
More sorry-assed secret agenda bullshit. "oooooo! He's pro choice! Oooooo! Scary scary! He's going to ban abortion!!"

Maybe if you people on the far fringes of the far left had policies that people didn't laugh at you wouldn't constantly have to demonize everyone else.

Calm down argus, your bp must be getting high. Harper cast his ballot on this issue, that's a matter of record. And you certainly don't have to be on whatever you refer to as "the far fringes" to support pro choice.

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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2018, 08:14:50 pm »
Bernier called the Conservatives “morally and intellectually bankrupt”.  Ouch.

Should be interesting to see what kinds of candidates this party will attract.  It sounds like it will be shooting for a more conservative platform than the current CPC.  I wonder if anyone will jump ship onto the new party from the CPC.   They might have several elected MPs right from day 1 of the party.  This will help them immensely.

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Good luck forming a new party and finding 338 candidates for each riding and the funding to lead a nationwide campaign within the next year.

He should be able to siphon off existing CPC MPs and donations.  I don’t see this as an issue.
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2018, 06:54:32 am »
you people on the far fringes of the far left
Would you stfu with this nonsense already. Nobody on this forum is on the fringes of the far left. Do you see people calling for the bombing of pipelines? Attacking businesses who won't unionize? Talking about arresting bankers, seizing assets, etc? Your extreme hyperbole makes it look like you're incapable of making arguments without creating stupid caricatures of the positions you're arguing against.
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Re: Bernier Quits CPC to form new federal party
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2018, 06:55:47 am »
Bernier called the Conservatives “morally and intellectually bankrupt”.  Ouch.

Should be interesting to see what kinds of candidates this party will attract.  It sounds like it will be shooting for a more conservative platform than the current CPC.  I wonder if anyone will jump ship onto the new party from the CPC.   They might have several elected MPs right from day 1 of the party.  This will help them immensely.

He should be able to siphon off existing CPC MPs and donations.  I don’t see this as an issue.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2018, 11:40:32 am »
Would you stfu with this nonsense already. Nobody on this forum is on the fringes of the far left.

Where would you put yourself on the political spectrum? You appear to have considerably more affection for Marxism than Capitalism, for example.

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Do you see people calling for the bombing of pipelines? Attacking businesses who won't unionize? Talking about arresting bankers, seizing assets, etc?

That you have no power to do so does not mean you would not be pleased to have a government which represents your views do so.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2018, 11:42:10 am »
Calm down argus, your bp must be getting high. Harper cast his ballot on this issue, that's a matter of record. And you certainly don't have to be on whatever you refer to as "the far fringes" to support pro choice.

Given I am pro choice that is certainly not an issue. At issue is the rabid intolerance of different views, opinions and beliefs you and the others on the far left exhibit on a daily basis.
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