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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Banking corruption in Canada
« on: April 10, 2019, 11:17:39 pm »
The fed banking regulator, the big banks, and the federal government all in cahoots with each other, reveals CBC News.  Unquestionably disgusting, our banking system is fundamentally compromised.  Shame on our government, but the conservatives do it too let's not kid ourselves.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fcac-bank-report-on-sales-tactics-weakened-1.5091115
« Last Edit: April 10, 2019, 11:20:44 pm by Poonlight Graham »
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Re: Banking corruption in Canada
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2019, 12:52:31 am »
I don't anything but minor quibbles.
Changing the text to say they "did not find wide spread problems" is perfectly fine if it is true.

Sharing a review with the subjects before publication is simply professionalism.
This is not some journalist trying to create a hit piece to boost ratings.
This is a regulator that has an ongoing working relationship.
The key unknown is the banks asked for edits that were rejected.

The argument that checking facts means you only have to send the facts is nonsense.
Facts can be presented in a context that completely distorts the facts.
Journalists abuse this all of the time.

The one thing that is a concern is the rejection of the argument that banks have a fiduciary duty to their customers.
Businesses hate these clauses because it opens them up to all kinds of merit-less lawsuits.
But it is a principle that we should require of all people providing financial advice for profit.
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Re: Banking corruption in Canada
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2019, 08:57:19 am »
Once again the progressive Leftist Liberal party a day after providing funding to Loblaws but not small businesses for new fridge units shows  that Morneau acted as a trained step and fetch it monkey for the banking industry.

Why would anyone be surprised? Did anyone expect Morneau the inside trader to act as an independent regulator? This is a government in bed with the Aga Khan. Loblaws, Lavalin acting as step and fetch its for them.

Did anyone think they would be anything but puppets?

Morneau and Trudeau are privileged sheltered elitists. They have no clue how important it is to regulate banks to protect the ability of small businesses to compete and flourish. They haven't a clue what it means to run a business and dependent on a bank.  The two live off of trust accounts. That's the only interaction they have with banks.
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Re: Banking corruption in Canada
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2019, 11:48:25 am »
Morneau the inside trader

oh my! Does that fit/fall within 'Fair Comment'?

Fair Comment Definition: A comment made which though defamatory, is not actionable as it is an opinion on a matter of public interest.

oh wait... is that your opinion... which matter of {related} public interest are you relying upon?  ;D

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2019, 04:29:18 pm »
Once again the progressive Leftist Liberal party a day after providing funding to Loblaws but not small businesses

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Re: Banking corruption in Canada
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2019, 05:54:43 pm »
Sharing a review with the subjects before publication is simply professionalism.
This is not some journalist trying to create a hit piece to boost ratings.
This is a regulator that has an ongoing working relationship.
The key unknown is the banks asked for edits that were rejected.

Can you name other examples of an independent regulator legit sharing draft of it's work to the people it's regulating for "edits"?  It's a complete and utter farce.  It shouldn't be softening their language and prescriptions because the people they're regulating get their butts hurt.
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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2019, 06:10:25 pm »
Can you name other examples of an independent regulator legit sharing draft of it's work to the people it's regulating for "edits"?  It's a complete and utter farce.  It shouldn't be softening their language and prescriptions because the people they're regulating get their butts hurt.
I see it all the time in my business. Documents are provided to allow for feedback from all affected stakeholders before publication. The regulator is under no obligation to accept any edit and, in this case, there does not appear to be a reason to believe the edit is false. If there was such evidence I would share your concern.

What you seem to be missing is phrasing can have different meaning to different people. Sometimes document authors will make statements without realizing how others will interpret them. So it is fair for a stakeholder to come back and say "did you really mean this?" and if the answer is "no we did not" then it extremely appropriate to update the wording to reflect the intent of the regulator.

As I said before, the job of the regulator is to look after public interest. It is not to create hit pieces that create controversies to boost sales.



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Re: Banking corruption in Canada
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2019, 06:30:14 pm »
I see it all the time in my business. Documents are provided to allow for feedback from all affected stakeholders before publication. The regulator is under no obligation to accept any edit and, in this case, there does not appear to be a reason to believe the edit is false. If there was such evidence I would share your concern.

What you seem to be missing is phrasing can have different meaning to different people. Sometimes document authors will make statements without realizing how others will interpret them. So it is fair for a stakeholder to come back and say "did you really mean this?" and if the answer is "no we did not" then it extremely appropriate to update the wording to reflect the intent of the regulator.

As I said before, the job of the regulator is to look after public interest. It is not to create hit pieces that create controversies to boost sales.

They edited out key pieces of the draft.  Very key language.  Changing things like "must" to "should" changes a requirement to a recommendation.  Changing some minor language makes sense, but they totally softballed the report.
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Re: Banking corruption in Canada
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2019, 06:31:48 pm »
The one thing that is a concern is the rejection of the argument that banks have a fiduciary duty to their customers.
Businesses hate these clauses because it opens them up to all kinds of merit-less lawsuits.
But it is a principle that we should require of all people providing financial advice for profit.

It's a major concern yes.  It would change the whole relationship with the clients.  Being salespeople to actually trying to help and serve the clients in their financial interests.
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Re: Banking corruption in Canada
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2019, 06:53:16 pm »
Changing things like "must" to "should" changes a requirement to a recommendation.
I am arguing about when to use "should" and when to "must" constantly in my work. Without the back and forth discussions we can't know why the regulator agreed to the changes. But lack of information does not mean you are wrong - it just means you can't assume that you are right.

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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2019, 12:06:00 pm »

The one thing that is a concern is the rejection of the argument that banks have a fiduciary duty to their customers.
Businesses hate these clauses because it opens them up to all kinds of merit-less lawsuits.
But it is a principle that we should require of all people providing financial advice for profit.

Yup. That's a very big deal.
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