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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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I think we should give this a lot of credence, and so do our other allies like the UK, Australia, and New Zealand. China isn't our friend, Wuhan Waldo.

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Australia and New Zealand.  Yes, the evil alt-right fascist dictatorship of....New Zealand, have been far more vigilant because they're across the sea from China and so have much closer relations with them.  In other words, they've figured it out WTF China is up to.
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019

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I wonder if those other countries had a PM sign a deal that tied them economically to China until 2045?
Harper was China's biatch about the same as Trudeau is.  When is Canada going to stop being China's lapdog and grow some brains and testicles?
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019

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The agreement is binding for 31 years from 2014. 31 years.

China will not abide by the agreement.  What would be the punishment exactly?  What other agreements have they not cheated on?
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019

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China was never a part of TPP.  Also, China doesn't follow international rules or laws.  But they love signing these kinds of agreements because we're the suckers who abide by them while they steal and counterfeit everything.

I really missed your cocksure bravado naivety!

President Obama: The TPP would let America, not China, lead the way on global trade


Offline Gorgeous Graham

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There's nuance missing to this discussion. China abuses human rights, especially against the Uighur people. The stuff that's been reported lately is appalling. However, how do we go about addressing it? How do we get China to change? Will closer economic ties allow Canada to persuade China on their domestic affairs? Because that's the theory behind greater integration. Greater integration also benefits Canadian industries. So it's a lot more complicated than CHINA BAD, CUT ALL TIES. This is a massively complicated matter.

The way to address is to maximize our leverage with China.  That's the main key in any negotiation.  We need to form an strong economic alliance with other liberal democracies and act as one.  This is what OPEC does.  Canada alone vs China or UK vs China etc. doesn't stand a chance.  Even the US would benefit with a ton of other countries on their side to pressure them to follow the international law and international agreements.
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019

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China will not abide by the agreement.  What would be the punishment exactly?  What other agreements have they not cheated on?

 ??? how could all those so critical of the Harper FIPA get it so wrong - be so out of tune with you... how could they have determined that the FIPA so lopsidedly favours China over Canada?  ;D

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The way to address is to maximize our leverage with China.  That's the main key in any negotiation.  We need to form an strong economic alliance with other liberal democracies and act as one.  This is what OPEC does.  Canada alone vs China or UK vs China etc. doesn't stand a chance.  Even the US would benefit with a ton of other countries on their side to pressure them to follow the international law and international agreements.

waldo illumination: and once that azzhole Trump is dispensed with, the U.S. is expected back in the fold... for now, till then: CPTPP

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The Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) is a free trade agreement between Canada and 10 other countries in the Asia-Pacific region: Australia, Brunei, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam. Once fully implemented, the 11 countries will form a trading bloc representing 495 million consumers and 13.5% of global GDP, providing Canada with preferential access to key markets in Asia and Latin America.

On December 30, 2018 the CPTPP entered into force among the first six countries to ratify the agreement – Canada, Australia, Japan, Mexico, New Zealand, and Singapore. On January 14, 2019, the CPTPP entered into force for Vietnam.

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I really missed your cocksure bravado naivety!

President Obama: The TPP would let America, not China, lead the way on global trade


Obama is a neoliberal, who knew!

Now if you'll excuse me i'm off to go shop at Zellers. Oh wait nevermind, Walmart entered Canada after NAFTA and put them out of business.  And then Target took its dead carcass and shat on it & left.

Let's hook up our 5G with Huawei so China can continue ramming us in the backside, sounds good WallyWorld?  Maybe China can pay off a few of our politicians with money & favours and get that one done hmm?  Where's John "I lick the CPC's taint while on my knees begging like a good boy" McCallum when you need him?
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"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019

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waldo illumination: and once that azzhole Trump is dispensed with, the U.S. is expected back in the fold... for now, till then: CPTPP

Where is the UK, Germany, France etc?  I'm also talking a bloc, not free-trade agreement.

I'm very proud that JT was able to sneak "Progressive" into that deal's title, great job!  Progress!
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"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019

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True but it seems most of the tie cutting has been coming from the Chinese. Certainly, entering into any kind of new economic agreements would be a big mistake and Canadian companies should be very wary of investing in China.
I don't disagree with this at all and I'm sure you know me well enough by now to know that using capitalist imperatives to persuade political action is not something I agree with anyway.