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« Reply #90 on: April 18, 2020, 01:24:29 pm »
Children spread viruses?  Whoa, stop the presses! Thank goodness we have the Lancet to tell us that! 

Given that this is possibly the least surprising finding of this whole pandemic, what do you want us to do with this information?

I relish this and like posts of your flummoxed-self where you mock/ignore/deflect, as you call it, sciency-looking evidence! Apparently, you believe all viruses act/respond the same - yowzer! That Lancet paper offers evidence to allow you to, with some degree of authority, speak of child infections of the SARS-CoV-2 virus; you know, that "healthy children are at a low risk for dying from Covid-19 but this evidence is monumental in stating children can and are being infected as both symptomatic and asymptomatic transmitters of the virus"

in your best Trumpian-like deflection, you're the one calling for an end to current restrictions... but somehow, for some reason, you haven't provided a "how to plan" to do so - you haven't responded to this waldo request/challenge:
=>member kimmy, what conditions/requirements, if any, do you believe should be in place... before restrictions/shutdowns are eliminated? I trust your response will give consideration to the reality of asymptomatic carriers of the virus... as well as the more recent raised concerns over "some number" of released recovered patients who retest as positive while showing no symptoms (again, asymptomatic carriers).

name your conditions/requirements member kimmy - name them!

member kimmy, I trust your "unknown/unidentified plan"... thinks of the children and their infection characteristics!

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« Reply #91 on: April 18, 2020, 01:37:41 pm »
It is frightening how amazingly ignorant and arrogant some people can be in the face of such a serious issue as we now face. I guess they just didn't pass grade school science and I guess also the best outcome will be if they all get the virus and die from it. Or these crazy bastards blow their own heads off.

this shouldn't be a problem, right? Of course it doesn't address those infected by said "protestors"... but, uhhh... freedom ain't free!


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« Reply #92 on: April 18, 2020, 01:43:09 pm »
this shouldn't be a problem, right? Of course it doesn't address those infected by said "protestors"... but, uhhh... freedom ain't free!



Can you please email a printable version of this to the White House IMMEDIATELY.

Thank you

Oh, and a copy over to departed memeber Shady over yonder. That we he can perhaps achieve "dearly departed" stature.

Thanks again.
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Re: BACK TO WORK!! It’s just killing old farts
« Reply #93 on: April 18, 2020, 02:04:14 pm »

=>member kimmy, what conditions/requirements, if any, do you believe should be in place... before restrictions/shutdowns are eliminated?

Before I get to conditions/requirements, I want to talk about what restrictions and shutdowns might be eliminated.

To me the most exasperating thing about the shutdowns are the one-size-fits-all nature of the shutdown.

It seems ridiculous to me that a venue that seats 20 people is treated the same as a venue that seats 2000 people or 20,000 people.  It seems ridiculous to me that a pottery class is treated the same as a gym or a yoga class.  I don't think a sit-down restaurant poses the same risks as a shopping mall food court. I don't think a neighborhood pub poses the same risks as a packed nightclub with a dance floor full of sweaty people.

(Personal note: I think it's ridiculous that Kim City is treating the kayak club the same as city swimming pools and city fitness centers. Are they afraid the ducks and fish will catch COVID? I don't get it.)

I'm also skeptical that the same measures are necessary in Saskatchewan as in Ontario.  And I'm skeptical that the same measures are necessary in Kenora Ontario as in downtown Toronto.



I trust your response will give consideration to the reality of asymptomatic carriers of the virus... as well as the more recent raised concerns over "some number" of released recovered patients who retest as positive while showing no symptoms (again, asymptomatic carriers).

name your conditions/requirements member kimmy - name them!

The BC government is now looking at ways of relaxing restrictions-- it's not just dumb-people and rednecks anymore. Dr Bonnie Henry says:
"I believe this summer, we will have the opportunity to have way more social opportunities … but we're not quite there yet. So I'm asking for patience."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/covid19-restrictions-bc-1.5535716

Here's the modelling they've developed:



They are projecting the anticipated rate of patients in critical care on the level of social interaction going on.  The graph shows that if we resume 100% or 80% of normal levels of social interaction, the number of cases goes through the roof.  On the other hand, lower levels of interaction-- 60% of less, results in a rate of cases that doesn't snowball and remains low enough for the healthcare system to manage quite easily, as it is doing right now.  They estimate our level of interaction is currently at the range of about 30%, so there's certainly room for some restrictions to be lifted.  And restrictions can be put back in place as required to deal with "rebound outbreaks" that they anticipate will occur.

To me, the conditions/requirements for easing of restriction are that our healthcare system be able to handle the number of critical cases.  That's it, that's my criterion.  I don't base it on the existence of a vaccine, or a 100% accurate test, or whatever. When those things do appear, they will considerably improve the level of risk mitigation we're able to do, but it is and always will be a matter of risk mitigation.  We won't be able to do 100% testing of the population, we won't be able to identify every asymptomatic carrier, we won't be able to guarantee nobody comes down with COVID in the future. But we can certainly keep things at a level where we can care for cases as they arise, as we do with other communicable diseases.

As we learn more about how this thing works, we will learn what kind of situations pose high risks of transmissions and what kind of situations can reopen without adding substantially to the level of risk. 


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« Reply #94 on: April 18, 2020, 02:10:33 pm »
good on ya! I thought you were heartless... but your expressed concern for senior bridge players can tally up against your rife enthusiasm for the cull! Oh, wait... that can't include bridge playing seniors in care homes, right... or are they just collateral damage to you?

They might not be able to play bridge with each other, or visit their family members face to face, for a long time.  I reject the idea that we can't lift restrictions on anything until it's safe for the oldest and frailest to play bridge with each other, if that's what you're proposing.

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« Reply #95 on: April 18, 2020, 02:26:30 pm »


Darwinism at play:  adapt or die.
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« Reply #96 on: April 18, 2020, 02:30:23 pm »
They might not be able to play bridge with each other, or visit their family members face to face, for a long time.  I reject the idea that we can't lift restrictions on anything until it's safe for the oldest and frailest to play bridge with each other, if that's what you're proposing.

 -k

Still no hard evidence that being young is some sort of protection. Let's let medical sciences suss out exactly what we are dealing with before we rush to judgement from a layman's POV.
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« Reply #97 on: April 18, 2020, 02:31:20 pm »
American radical libertarians:  all government bad because King George.

Canadian radical liberals:  people are dumb and can't help themselves, God save the Queen so she can save us with her money-nipple.
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« Reply #98 on: April 18, 2020, 02:34:01 pm »
Darwinism at play:  adapt or die.

Darwinism? OK off you go to the bar but you'll be living in the basement from now on OK?

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« Reply #99 on: April 18, 2020, 02:38:47 pm »
I relish this and like posts of your flummoxed-self where you mock/ignore/deflect, as you call it, sciency-looking evidence! Apparently, you believe all viruses act/respond the same - yowzer! That Lancet paper offers evidence to allow you to, with some degree of authority, speak of child infections of the SARS-CoV-2 virus; you know, that "healthy children are at a low risk for dying from Covid-19 but this evidence is monumental in stating children can and are being infected as both symptomatic and asymptomatic transmitters of the virus"

in your best Trumpian-like deflection, you're the one calling for an end to current restrictions... but somehow, for some reason, you haven't provided a "how to plan" to do so - you haven't responded to this waldo request/challenge:
member kimmy, I trust your "unknown/unidentified plan"... thinks of the children and their infection characteristics!

The impact of transmission through children is already built into the statistics regarding new cases and critical care cases, which are the main metric being used to track the spread of the virus. Your astounding revelation doesn't change anything. Dr Henry's charts and graphs from yesterday? The effects of children are already built into that data.

The Lancet report will probably be of interest to those deciding when and how to reopen schools and daycare operations and youth sports and other activities where children congregate in numbers, but I doubt anybody making those kinds of decisions was under the assumption that children wouldn't spread the viruses.  Schools in Taiwan and South Korea imposed social distancing measures on their students early on in their fight against the virus, so clearly people already anticipated that children would be carriers.

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Re: BACK TO WORK!! It’s just killing old farts
« Reply #100 on: April 18, 2020, 02:42:28 pm »
Still no hard evidence that being young is some sort of protection.

There's actually a lot of evidence of that.

Let's let medical sciences suss out exactly what we are dealing with before we rush to judgement from a layman's POV.

BC's chief health officer is talking about opening things up this summer. She's not a layman.

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« Reply #101 on: April 18, 2020, 02:47:56 pm »
There's actually a lot of evidence of that.

BC's chief health officer is talking about opening things up this summer. She's not a layman.

 -k

You're right, she's not a layman which is why she is being very cautious.

 B.C. may consider starting to relax some restrictions put in to combat COVID-19, starting next month.

But the province’s chief medical health officer has warned the lifting of those measures will be partial and gradual – and life in B.C. won’t go back to normal anytime soon.

https://www.nsnews.com/news/b-c-may-consider-lifting-some-restrictions-starting-in-may-1.24119838

So don't load up your gun and follow the idiots into the streets such as in the US.

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« Reply #102 on: April 18, 2020, 03:06:20 pm »
You're right, she's not a layman which is why she is being very cautious.

 B.C. may consider starting to relax some restrictions put in to combat COVID-19, starting next month.

But the province’s chief medical health officer has warned the lifting of those measures will be partial and gradual – and life in B.C. won’t go back to normal anytime soon.

https://www.nsnews.com/news/b-c-may-consider-lifting-some-restrictions-starting-in-may-1.24119838

So don't load up your gun and follow the idiots into the streets such as in the US.

I posted that exact article an hour ago you hapless goof. Don't you read anything?

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« Reply #103 on: April 18, 2020, 03:09:18 pm »
I posted that exact article an hour ago you hapless goof. Don't you read anything?

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Your posts seem to indicate you missed the point of it.

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« Reply #104 on: April 18, 2020, 03:16:47 pm »
The point of it was that we will be able to open up many things in the near future, without a vaccine or massive testing, and without overwhelming the healthcare system with new cases. 

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