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« Reply #330 on: June 09, 2020, 03:11:06 am »
And I don't feel bad about sharing stories about my coworkers with Michael and Wilber and a few others here. You're welcome to ignore them if you wish, I really couldn't care less. And I won't worry about having my career or my workplace belittled by a guy who is most likely a shut-in incel whose "job" is probably just writing a low-circulation blog.

ignore them? Hell no - they're a testament to just how pompous and princessPretentious you are... the kimmyWhiz and her lowly workplace minions!

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« Reply #331 on: June 09, 2020, 03:30:14 am »
Yet, again, you blindly accepted the interaction claim made... even without the information needed to allow bipartisan assessment in how it was determined. Apparently, just cause!

Everybody knows exactly what you meant. You've spent the whole thread demonstrating that this is a partisan issue for you.

why do you struggle so? Again, the word partisan is not confined within... is not limited to, a political-only context! In this case the 2 factions of a bipartisan assessment would be the side aligned with completeness, transparency and due-diligence (the waldo side) and the other side aligned with expedient blind acceptance (the member kimmy side).

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« Reply #332 on: June 09, 2020, 04:08:46 am »
Youíre a maroon
Thatís what I figured.  When people like you are challenged to explain your ideas, you resort to pathetic name calling, because your ideas are so weak and lacking substance.  Youíre too used to the back slapping echo chamber.  Whether you like it or not, youíre a complete and utter hypocrite when it comes to the protests vs people opening their businesses while practicing mitigation. 
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« Reply #333 on: June 09, 2020, 05:52:16 am »
Thatís what I figured.  When people like you are challenged to explain your ideas, you resort to pathetic name calling, because your ideas are so weak and lacking substance. 
I suggest telling him he needs help because he has a "derangement syndrome". That always works when one is losing an argument badly.

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« Reply #334 on: June 09, 2020, 01:16:41 pm »
You jumped into the thread to talk about how your parents' RRIFs had decreased in value.


Sure, I 'jumped' in the thread about my parents' RRIF because it was sooooo irrelevant with you saying things like:

The government is doing everything possible to make sure that the boomers' overpriced real estate assets remain overpriced, and everything possible to make sure that the boomers' overpriced stock assets remain overpriced, and nothing to compensate young people for the years of lost earnings they're going to suffer from this catastrophe. So tell me how the **** this is fair.

I mean, really nothing you're posting here is changing my view that young people aren't sacrificing their economic well being for the sake of the health of boomers and the elderly.


And twenty pages later, in your bicker with Waldo you drag me into it and berate me for 'grieving' MY portfolio.

Get a handle on yourself.
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« Reply #335 on: June 10, 2020, 09:40:56 am »
Do these lives matter at all?  Just wondering.  Or is it just covid deaths that people care about?

The life and death COVID-19 curve no one is talking about
As Canada works to flatten the coronavirus curve, the combination of anxiety, economic insecurity and isolation has mental health experts concerned that suicide rates in the country could be headed in the opposite direction.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/06/10/the-life-and-death-covid-19-curve-no-one-is-talking-about.html
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« Reply #336 on: June 10, 2020, 11:40:09 am »
Do these lives matter at all?  Just wondering.  Or is it just covid deaths that people care about?

The life and death COVID-19 curve no one is talking aboutAs Canada works to flatten the coronavirus curve, the combination of anxiety, economic insecurity and isolation has mental health experts concerned that suicide rates in the country could be headed in the opposite direction.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/06/10/the-life-and-death-covid-19-curve-no-one-is-talking-about.html

accepting that the study's co-author acknowledged their simplistic approach in linking suicide to a single social factor - unemployment... let the waldo offer you a graphic from that study. Note: the study does NOT factor any manner of "preventative" mitigation; say, like... "wage subsidies, forbearance on financial obligation, government support of small business, work retraining programs, access to community-based support programs, etc.."

member Shady, at the extreme 'worst case' scenario in your referenced study, will YOU offer comparative comment in regards an additional 2114 suicides (across the entire breadth of Canada) versus lives saved as a result of shutdown measures... will YOU, member Shady?



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member Shady... a sweetener for you - you're welcome:

Coronavirus shutdowns prevented 60 million infections in the USA

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Researchers found the USA may have been able to avoid an additional 4.8 million confirmed coronavirus cases, which translates to about 60 million more infections, as a result of statewide lockdowns and mandated social distancing restrictions, according to the report published in the peer-reviewed scientific journal Nature.

Infections were much higher than confirmed cases, they argued, because many people didn't have access to a coronavirus test or didn't go to their doctors to obtain one. The study documented changes in testing procedures and availability, as well as differences in case detection across the country.

The effect of large-scale anti-contagion policies on the COVID-19 pandemic

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Abstract

Governments around the world are responding to the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic1 with unprecedented policies designed to slow the growth rate of infections. Many actions, such as closing schools and restricting populations to their homes, impose large and visible costs on society, but their benefits cannot be directly observed and are currently understood only through process-based simulations2Ė4. Here, we compile new data on 1,717 local, regional, and national non-pharmaceutical interventions deployed in the ongoing pandemic across localities in China, South Korea, Italy, Iran, France, and the United States (US). We then apply reduced-form econometric methods, commonly used to measure the effect of policies on economic growth5,6, to empirically evaluate the effect that these anti-contagion policies have had on the growth rate of infections. In the absence of policy actions, we estimate that early infections of COVID-19 exhibit exponential growth rates of roughly 38% per day. We find that anti-contagion policies have significantly and substantially slowed this growth. Some policies have different impacts on different populations, but we obtain consistent evidence that the policy packages now deployed are achieving large, beneficial, and measurable health outcomes. We estimate that across these six countries, interventions prevented or delayed on the order of 62 million confirmed cases, corresponding to averting roughly 530 million total infections. These findings may help inform whether or when these policies should be deployed, intensified, or lifted, and they can support decision-making in the other 180+ countries where COVID-19 has been reported7.

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« Reply #337 on: June 10, 2020, 01:09:31 pm »
I think Shady is advocating for a much expanded social safety net. I'm all for that.

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« Reply #338 on: June 10, 2020, 11:00:32 pm »
accepting that the study's co-author acknowledged their simplistic approach in linking suicide to a single social factor - unemployment... let the waldo offer you a graphic from that study. Note: the study does NOT factor any manner of "preventative" mitigation; say, like... "wage subsidies, forbearance on financial obligation, government support of small business, work retraining programs, access to community-based support programs, etc.."
I suspect this sort of mitigation would only result in a need to flatten a curve of suicides amongst conservatives. Governments are forever damned if they do or don't.
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« Reply #339 on: June 11, 2020, 10:12:18 am »
I think Shady is advocating for a much expanded social safety net. I'm all for that.

I missed this - my bad! Clearly I have a historically influenced blind spot in regards member Shady... going forward I'll try to be more open/receptive to the members like initiatives, particularly those advocating on behalf of the poor, the disabled, the mentally challenged, the racially disadvantaged, new immigrants, etc..
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« Reply #340 on: June 11, 2020, 01:23:26 pm »
I think Shady is advocating for a much expanded social safety net. I'm all for that.
No, Iím advocating for a more sensible and scientific approach to the Wuhan coronavirus.  Iím also illustrating that itís not lives vs money, itís lives vs lives and lives vs livelihoods.  And that itís not so simplistic as argued by alarmists.  Itís much more complicated and many different aspects of this need to be weighed and balanced.  Iím not sure why you people canít acknowledge reality.
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« Reply #341 on: June 12, 2020, 09:34:25 am »
No, Iím advocating for a more sensible and scientific approach to the Wuhan coronavirus.  Iím also illustrating that itís not lives vs money, itís lives vs lives and lives vs livelihoods.  And that itís not so simplistic as argued by alarmists.  Itís much more complicated and many different aspects of this need to be weighed and balanced.  Iím not sure why you people canít acknowledge reality.
Saying it's about livelihoods is saying it's about money and the argument that we'll doomed by national debt if we put lives first is as simplistic as it gets. The reality is we've been doomed by public debt before in fact many people seem to live their entire lives in constant certainty the end is always nigh - even the boy who cried wolf must have finally tired of the effort of crying.
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« Reply #342 on: June 12, 2020, 10:05:51 am »
Saying it's about livelihoods is saying it's about money and the argument that we'll doomed by national debt if we put lives first is as simplistic as it gets. The reality is we've been doomed by public debt before in fact many people seem to live their entire lives in constant certainty the end is always nigh - even the boy who cried wolf must have finally tired of the effort of crying.

The boy who cried wolf ended up getting eaten by the wolf.
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« Reply #343 on: June 12, 2020, 12:03:54 pm »
That's what they'll be for at least 30 years, because that's what the bonds will be locked in at.

Please reconcile your opinion that no one will buy 30 year bonds with the fact that a record amount of these bonds were sold recently.

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« Reply #344 on: June 12, 2020, 12:08:23 pm »
Wait, what?  I thought it was suppose to be the exact opposite! 

Floridaís new cases actually declined by 14% compared to the previous week, and Georgiaís fell by 12%Ē between May 4 and May 11, Axios reported, noting that ďNevada leads the pack with a 44% reduction
https://www.mediaite.com/news/florida-and-georgia-coronavirus-cases-decline-despite-concerns-south-dakota-cases-shoot-up-2/

on June 11, at 1,698, FL hit a new daily coronavirus case high... and, of course, the increasing positivity rate is a sign the infection is spreading