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Offline the_squid

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BACK TO WORK!! Itís just killing old farts
« on: April 14, 2020, 02:57:19 pm »
Donít worry about CV-19...   itís just killing the oldies!   So says a Conservative MP from BC.



Nice sentiments....   at least heís honest about what he thinks, I guess.  Maybe his constituents will appreciate his honesty!  Hopefully they take more notice of his stupidity...   what does he think millions of sick people overwhelming the medical system are going to do to the economy?

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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2020, 03:13:26 pm »
They don't care about old people.

Just veterans...

And...

I don't know... pets ?

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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2020, 03:28:14 pm »
They don't care about old people.

Just veterans...

And...

I don't know... pets ?

Is he willing to sacrifice his own parents for a buck?  I don’t get it...  Is he a sociopath?   Was he impaired on drugs and/or alcohol when he wrote that? 

How does one think that sacrificing old folks, letting them die alone in agony, as long as we can “get the economy going again”, is a good plan?

Even if he is a sociopath who thinks this is a good idea, how could one be a politician and not realize that, politically, this is just a dumb thing to say.   Most people aren’t sociopaths and aren’t willing to watch their parents/grandparents die...   
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2020, 03:29:38 pm »
That MP is pretty dumb.  A true Covidiot.
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2020, 03:30:01 pm »

How does one think that sacrificing old folks, letting them die alone in agony, as long as we can ďget the economy going againĒ, is a good plan?

It's a 'values' problem.
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2020, 05:10:14 pm »
Donít worry about CV-19...   itís just killing the oldies!   So says a Conservative MP from BC.



Nice sentiments....   at least heís honest about what he thinks, I guess.  Maybe his constituents will appreciate his honesty!  Hopefully they take more notice of his stupidity...   what does he think millions of sick people overwhelming the medical system are going to do to the economy?

A significant portion of these deaths have been inside nursing homes.   Preventing kimmy from going to the bar after work doesn't do anything to protect nursing home residents.

At some point it's going to be time to end the general lockdown and go into something more focused. By region, and by risk factors.   I'm not saying it's now, but it's not too soon to start talking about when.  The economy can't stay on hold forever. The idea of rationing medical care sounds pretty cruel, but it becomes irrelevant if we don't have the funds to keep the medical system running.


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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2020, 05:32:15 pm »
A significant portion of these deaths have been inside nursing homes.   Preventing kimmy from going to the bar after work doesn't do anything to protect nursing home residents.

So you go to the bar....  get Coronavirus...  then a week later have dinner with your friend who is an airline stewardess...   who visits their friend who works in a nursing home, who then spreads it to their old farts...

Can you really not see how preventing you from going to the bar is going to prevent it from getting into a nursing home?   

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At some point it's going to be time to end the general lockdown and go into something more focused. By region, and by risk factors.   I'm not saying it's now, but it's not too soon to start talking about when.  The economy can't stay on hold forever. The idea of rationing medical care sounds pretty cruel, but it becomes irrelevant if we don't have the funds to keep the medical system running.

At some point.,..  yes.  Too soon and many more people are going to die than need to.   You are looking at it like we will all die of starvation, or social-drinking deprivation because this will last forever?   No one says this will last forever, but it will probably be months. 
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2020, 05:55:09 pm »
So you go to the bar....  get Coronavirus...  then a week later have dinner with your friend who is an airline stewardess...   who visits their friend who works in a nursing home, who the spreads it to their old farts...

Can you really not see how preventing you from going to the bar is going to prevent it from getting into a nursing home?   

Maybe instead of shutting down everything, maybe they can quarantine nursing homes. Maybe instead of telling everybody to stay home, tell people over 50 to stay home.

At some point.,..  yes.  Too soon and many more people are going to die than need to.   You are looking at it like we will all die of starvation, or social-drinking deprivation because this will last forever?   No one says this will last forever, but it will probably be months. 

This is financially ruinous for huge numbers of people. And the stuff that is being most affected by coronavirus and the shutdown is stuff that young people rely on for employment. More than anybody else, young people are affected by the shutdown of retail, restaurants, hospitality, tourism. Pension money and old age security will keep on coming for the boomers and their elderly parents, but paychecks are stopping for an awful lot of young people. When do colleges and universities reopen? How do people finish their degrees in the social distancing era?

While we shut down everything so that septuagenarians get the chance to become octogenarians, young people are being **** over once again.

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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2020, 06:12:33 pm »
Maybe instead of shutting down everything, maybe they can quarantine nursing homes. Maybe instead of telling everybody to stay home, tell people over 50 to stay home.

And healthcare professionals?  They need to stay home too?  Plus, their families....   because if their families come into contact, then they will get it too.

So...  let’s try and run down the list here.... 

Healthcare workers...   including clinics, not just hospitals... 
Fire departments...
Ambulance attendants...
Anyone who might clean the houses of those folks.... 
Any office people who may work for any of those people...   HR...  receptionists....
The plumber who unclogged the doctor’s shitter is now locked dow for 3 weeks...  as well as the plumber’s family...   

All these people and their families must be locked down.   But not you.  You may go to the bar.   Any planes that take nurses to service remote communities...  those pilots must be locked down now, and their families....   So now that pilot that took the nurse to a remote community can’t take surveyors out to do their work of course...  that’s the nurse’s pilot.  At least for 3 weeks anyway... 

Kimmy, your strategy gets unworkable really quickly.  If it was a realistic solution, brighter minds than your’s (the pandemic experts) would have thought of it.

  Your pandemic strategy boils down to wishful thinking. 

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This is financially ruinous for huge numbers of people. And the stuff that is being most affected by coronavirus and the shutdown is stuff that young people rely on for employment. More than anybody else, young people are affected by the shutdown of retail, restaurants, hospitality, tourism. Pension money and old age security will keep on coming for the boomers and their elderly parents, but paychecks are stopping for an awful lot of young people. When do colleges and universities reopen? How do people finish their degrees in the social distancing era?

While we shut down everything so that septuagenarians get the chance to become octogenarians, young people are being **** over once again.

I guess killing off the old people would work, if you completely ignore the fact that so many sick people would overwhelm the medical system and cause a much higher death rate than otherwise., while also ignoring what millions of people getting sick at the same time would do to the economy anyway.

Again, this is wishful thinking that if we let the old farts die, anyone under 45 would be just fine.
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2020, 06:18:00 pm »
This is why Conservatives should never be anywhere near power.  Ever.
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2020, 06:21:55 pm »
I'm with squiggy on this one.

Kimmy you've gone Republican.  We're all stuck inside until everyone gets vaccinated.  Any talk of easing restrictions makes no sense.  It's just going to flare up again.
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2020, 06:23:52 pm »
I'm with squiggy on this one.

Kimmy you've gone Republican.  We're all stuck inside until everyone gets vaccinated.  Any talk of easing restrictions makes no sense.  It's just going to flare up again.

I think we can probably open a few select things up, but yeah...
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2020, 06:36:10 pm »
This is why Conservatives should never be anywhere near power.  Ever.

It's really hard to argue with that. 

I think this crisis has really exposed the flaws of conservative and progressive thinking, costing lives.  For some reason a lot of conservatives are just ignorant as hell, and people die.  And a lot of progressives are afraid of offending anyone, and people die.  Meanwhile the competent moderates who aren't super ideological are too smart to get involved in politics in this viscous social media environment, so they just remain managers at whatever business they work at.  So we're all effed.

Look at the US.  Moderates are an endangered species in the Democratic party.  Biden was one of the few left running for POTUS, so Americans have to nominate a senile dinosaur.
"The economy has been relatively strong but Trudeau has chosen to run deficits year after year & has said will continue to do so well into the future.  This means we'll be in a worse & more vulnerable financial position when a recession hits when we HAVE to run deficits again." - Me, Oct. 3, 2019
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2020, 06:41:37 pm »
It's really hard to argue with that. 

I think this crisis has really exposed the flaws of conservative and progressive thinking, costing lives.  For some reason a lot of conservatives are just ignorant as hell, and people die.  And a lot of progressives are afraid of offending anyone, and people die.  Meanwhile the competent moderates who aren't super ideological are too smart to get involved in politics in this viscous social media environment, so they just remain managers at whatever business they work at.  So we're all effed.

Look at the US.  Moderates are an endangered species in the Democratic party.  Biden was one of the few left running for POTUS, so Americans have to nominate a senile dinosaur.

I mostly agree with you...  PC culture up here can cost lives, and may have done so, with this pandemic.  Except your assertions about the ďextreme leftĒ Democrats is off-base.  Their ďextreme leftĒ is actually pretty moderate compared to up here. 

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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2020, 06:43:50 pm »
It's really hard to argue with that. 

I think this crisis has really exposed the flaws of conservative and progressive thinking, costing lives.  For some reason a lot of conservatives are just ignorant as hell, and people die.  And a lot of progressives are afraid of offending anyone, and people die.  Meanwhile the competent moderates who aren't super ideological are too smart to get involved in politics in this viscous social media environment, so they just remain managers at whatever business they work at.  So we're all effed.

Look at the US.  Moderates are an endangered species in the Democratic party.  Biden was one of the few left running for POTUS, so Americans have to nominate a senile dinosaur.

They already did that in Nov. 2016. donald Duck would be better than Donald Trump so Biden will be a blessing, especially if he picks the right running mate. Klobuchar I'm kinda rooting for.