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Offline Queefer Sutherland

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Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
« Reply #135 on: February 02, 2020, 12:25:55 am »
If it helps, I’d also argue that the media was the reason a lot of people didn’t like Scheer, and that Scheer had to resign.  The media does a lot of narrative creation now in their attempt to stay relevant.  The more drama the better. Trudeau was popular for the reasons he later because controversial.  People liked that he was different and that’s why he swept to power in a swell of support.  Those same virtues became his downfalls.  That he survived it is so what of a miracle, especially when you consider the role of Russian and alt right troll bots in our modern social media existence.

I think Canadians are smarter than you give them credit for.  You're saying you see "the truth" and everyone else is just a manipulated fool.  People usually read and believe what confirms their own opinions, not the other way around. 

Trudeau is not disliked because of media narratives, and he didn't lose his majority because of Russia and alt-right bots.  Have you considered the possibility that people just don't like him?  Occam's razor.  I don't think you'll ever accept that, because people read and believe what confirms their own opinions.
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Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
« Reply #136 on: February 02, 2020, 12:47:11 am »
It’s not that I’m in love with Justin Trudeau - it’s that I see the attacks on him as more of the attacks on the social order that got us Trump.  I’ll push back against that as hard as I can.

I really don't think you defend his deficits, bullying of the AG, and his donuts to prevent the rise of right-wing populism in Canada.
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« Reply #137 on: February 02, 2020, 01:53:37 am »


 ;D MmmKay has a zinger! Cause ya, this is just like weakAndy having the CPC pay the cost of many years of private schooling for his brood... says, "Liberals can't be trusted". Apparently, the thousands of dollars paid for Scheer's kids private schooling isn't a Conservative/CPC trust concern!

wait waldo, has MmmKay forgotten that special trip of his taken as a Harper cabinet minister... to defend his title as lobster banding champion? You know, the trip that had Challenger Jet costs @$25K and military helicopter costs @$16K. Seems trustworthy to me - not you?

on edit: c'mon waldo, your crack research team failed you... per the G&M, the Challenger Jet cost was actually $50K!
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« Reply #138 on: February 02, 2020, 02:06:21 am »
yes! PM Trudeau is living rent free in the heads of CPC MPs and their supporters. Why our own special lady here keeps whiggin' out over "cosplay"; while PM Trudeau's recent beard has them rantin'/ravin'! And now, PM Trudeau has been photographed a few times in recent days wearing... glasses... and they're losing their shyte over this!  ;D Of course, MmmKay continues his assault on PM Trudeau's masculinity - over yoga!

and PM Trudeau's socks - don't forget the socks! Ah yes, Rempel... always the charmer!



 
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Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
« Reply #139 on: February 02, 2020, 10:20:29 am »
I really don't think you defend his deficits, bullying of the AG, and his donuts to prevent the rise of right-wing populism in Canada.

No, it's because I understand that the deficits don't matter, that the bullying of the AG is subjective...and actually, yeah, the doughnuts are almost exactly what I'm talking about.

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Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
« Reply #140 on: February 02, 2020, 10:28:38 am »
I think Canadians are smarter than you give them credit for.  You're saying you see "the truth" and everyone else is just a manipulated fool.  People usually read and believe what confirms their own opinions, not the other way around.

I'm not saying that at all - but now that you mention it, yes. 

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Trudeau is not disliked because of media narratives, and he didn't lose his majority because of Russia and alt-right bots.  Have you considered the possibility that people just don't like him?  Occam's razor.  I don't think you'll ever accept that, because people read and believe what confirms their own opinions.

Like I said, his strengths - the things that brought him to power in 2015 - are basically the exact same things that nearly cost him power in 2019. 

I've heard from too many people that Trudeau has done nothing but go on vacation and have nice hair.  Of course I know that isn't true - they reformed the CPP, brought in the CCB, and legalized marijuana (among many other things).

I'll go even further - the same as done to Stephen Harper.  Yes, the media has always created a narrative to an extent.  What's changed is that the media is failing in many ways, looking for an audience.  Their narrative creation has been amplified. 

In another post you said that troll bots didn't cost Trudeau anything.  In an election that should not have even been close, he nearly lost power.  Maybe people don't like him.  People didn't like Harper either, or Chretien, or Mulroney, or the other Trudeau.  During the election, the hashtag #trudeaumustgo was trending on social media.  It was started by one right wing troll account in the US, and amplified by people who hate Trudeau because he's Trudeau. 

That's another thing that really effects Justin Trudeau - many people hate him because he's successful, attractive, and doesn't fit the identity of a traditional male.  How do I know this?  Because I live in a very conservative area and I hear it all of the time.  It's a lot less simple than you're trying to make it out to be.

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« Reply #141 on: February 02, 2020, 06:52:35 pm »
In another post you said that troll bots didn't cost Trudeau anything.  In an election that should not have even been close, he nearly lost power.

People dislike Trudeau, but they dislike Scheer even more.  Trudeau won a minority because the other leaders are legitimately worse.  The electorate voted right when they elected Chretien, voted right when they booted Chretien for Harper but mostly kept him to a minority, they voted right in 2015 to boot Harper when eh went bonkers with a mjaority, and they voted right in 2019.  Liberals lost seats in every province but the Maritimes and deserved it.  Yes Canadians are a lot smarter than you think.

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Maybe people don't like him.  People didn't like Harper either, or Chretien, or Mulroney, or the other Trudeau.  During the election, the hashtag #trudeaumustgo was trending on social media.  It was started by one right wing troll account in the US, and amplified by people who hate Trudeau because he's Trudeau.

And this influenced voting behaviour how?  In 2016 Trudeau had the 2nd-highest approval rating for a PM at any point since the 1950's (65%), and in 2019 he had the 5th lowest (28%).  This wasn't due to rightwing trolls or Russia.  If they could do that, Trump would have a much better approval rating.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_Canada_by_approval_rating

Canadians had 4 years of watching Trudeau to make up their minds on him, a bunch of hashtags on twitter during an election aren't going to change many people's minds.  I would think him bullying the AG had far bigger an impact, considering his 28% approval rating came in April 2019.

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That's another thing that really effects Justin Trudeau - many people hate him because he's successful, attractive, and doesn't fit the identity of a traditional male.  How do I know this?  Because I live in a very conservative area and I hear it all of the time.  It's a lot less simple than you're trying to make it out to be.

You're right, there's a lot more reasons than that why people dislike him.
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Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
« Reply #142 on: February 04, 2020, 11:31:20 am »
MmmKay - so Trumpian!



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« Reply #143 on: February 04, 2020, 11:51:16 am »
oh my!  ;D


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Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
« Reply #144 on: February 05, 2020, 04:32:46 pm »
I disagree, he has made a conscious effort to act like a grown-up since the election.  I think that even the beard is an attempt to project a more mature image. I do not think we'll see him doing cos-play, trick-or-treating, yoga, Bollywood style dance numbers, super-hero costumes with Catherine McKenna, Star Wars socks, "peoplekind", or any of the other fun-loving shenanigans we saw in his earlier years as PM.  I think at most we might see him wear a cowboy hat and jeans if he goes to the Stampede.

 -k

It's all an act to get attention and get people to swoon over him.  He's a drama teacher, an actor, he wore blackface at the school he worked for and got up and sang a song, it's all for attention. Being PM is the acting role of a lifetime. The grey wisdom beard is makeup an actor uses in a play.  He just can't stop.

He chose a career where a lot of people would get to watch him and listen to him all day (teacher), then switched careers to a profession where even more people could pay attention to him (politician).  Hopefully he'll smarten up a bit after Canadians taking the majority away from him.
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Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
« Reply #145 on: February 05, 2020, 04:34:12 pm »
Being PM is the acting role of a lifetime. The grey wisdom beard is makeup an actor uses in a play.  He just can't stop.

Is that like jumping on an ATV and tearing up the tarmac of an airport?

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« Reply #146 on: February 05, 2020, 04:48:52 pm »
Is that like jumping on an ATV and tearing up the tarmac of an airport?

I don't know who did that, but it sounds pretty cool, especially if they spun their wheels.
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« Reply #147 on: February 06, 2020, 12:28:08 am »
yabut, member kimmy saves her ad nauseam 'cosplay' labeling just for her specialOne!


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« Reply #148 on: February 11, 2020, 08:45:18 pm »
Is that like jumping on an ATV and tearing up the tarmac of an airport?

yabut, member kimmy saves her ad nauseam 'cosplay' labeling just for her specialOne!


I can only imagine how far up your ass your head would have to be to think that this



belongs in the same conversation as this and this.








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« Reply #149 on: February 12, 2020, 06:53:50 am »

I can only imagine how far up your ass your head would have to be to think that this



belongs in the same conversation as this and this.








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You weakened your own argument by bringing up the Indian ‘cosplay’.