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Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
« Reply #120 on: February 01, 2020, 12:24:37 pm »
A Trudeau-booster complaining about fakeness?  Hilarious.

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« Reply #121 on: February 01, 2020, 12:49:19 pm »
Fake empathy is better than fake outrage any day of the week.

That's subjective.  I think many people have become very tired of smarm, apologies, and cos-play over the years.

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« Reply #122 on: February 01, 2020, 12:51:21 pm »
Michelle Rempel ... make it so!  ;D C'mon, even the 'darkPrince' Kinsellout says she's the one.



Why so excited, waldo?  Got some personal insults left over that you didn't get to use on Rona?

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« Reply #123 on: February 01, 2020, 12:53:05 pm »
That's subjective.  I think many people have become very tired of smarm, apologies, and cos-play over the years.

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I think those people had their mind made up long before 2015.

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« Reply #124 on: February 01, 2020, 12:59:13 pm »
There's a lot of fighting going on in the party right now between "red Tories" and social conservatives.  The so-cons say that they refuse to become "Liberal-lite", but it seems as if their only notion for how to not be "Liberal-lite" is to cling to issues like gay marriage. They're apparently too dumb to recognize that that fight was lost over a decade ago. 

There has been a war of words going on between Rempel and the knuckle-dragger wing of the party, with Rempel asserting-- rightly-- that if people like Derek Sloan or Richard Decarie win the leadership contest, the Conservatives will continue to lose.

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« Reply #125 on: February 01, 2020, 01:03:44 pm »
I think those people had their mind made up long before 2015.

I think you're wrong.   The PM's personal numbers have declined in recent years.  His personal brand used to be a strength for the party, but it isn't anymore.  During the past election his "negatives" polled higher than his "positives", with the only silver lining being that he was up against Scheer.   The fact that Trudeau's numbers have slid so much since 2015 refutes your claim. 

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« Reply #126 on: February 01, 2020, 01:21:58 pm »
I disagree that Rempell is Any more fake than Trudeau, or whomever.  she would be a good candidate for the CPC, if they can break away from the gun nut stupidity, social conservative stupidity, etc.    Those are big ’ifs’  though. 

REmpell’s Alberta-is-hard-done-by nonsense would need to go as well...   Ontario, Quebec, Maritimes and BC aren’t going to vote for a Western Reform party. 

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« Reply #127 on: February 01, 2020, 01:22:35 pm »
I think those people had their mind made up long before 2015.

His approval numbers have tanked since 2015.  He has a lower approval rating than Trump.  He won a majority in 2015 and a minority in 2019.  The proof is in the pudding.
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« Reply #128 on: February 01, 2020, 02:05:05 pm »
I disagree that Rempell is Any more fake than Trudeau, or whomever.  she would be a good candidate for the CPC, if they can break away from the gun nut stupidity, social conservative stupidity, etc.    Those are big ’ifs’  though. 

She's all of those things, so she wouldn't be getting away from any of that.

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« Reply #129 on: February 01, 2020, 02:06:46 pm »
His approval numbers have tanked since 2015.  He has a lower approval rating than Trump.  He won a majority in 2015 and a minority in 2019.  The proof is in the pudding.

Trudeau suffered from a lot of the same things Obama did.  Expectations were far too high, and that's partly his own fault.  Arguably, his government has been largely successful, certainly no less so than the last one.  I've seen a lot recently about how Trudeau has grown up since the election.  The truth is simply that the media narrative has shifted.  He looks no different to me than he did before the election or for the last 2 - 3 years.

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« Reply #130 on: February 01, 2020, 02:51:39 pm »
Trudeau suffered from a lot of the same things Obama did.  Expectations were far too high, and that's partly his own fault.  Arguably, his government has been largely successful, certainly no less so than the last one.  I've seen a lot recently about how Trudeau has grown up since the election.  The truth is simply that the media narrative has shifted.  He looks no different to me than he did before the election or for the last 2 - 3 years. 

I disagree, he has made a conscious effort to act like a grown-up since the election.  I think that even the beard is an attempt to project a more mature image. I do not think we'll see him doing cos-play, trick-or-treating, yoga, Bollywood style dance numbers, super-hero costumes with Catherine McKenna, Star Wars socks, "peoplekind", or any of the other fun-loving shenanigans we saw in his earlier years as PM.  I think at most we might see him wear a cowboy hat and jeans if he goes to the Stampede.

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« Reply #131 on: February 01, 2020, 03:30:51 pm »
I disagree, he has made a conscious effort to act like a grown-up since the election.  I think that even the beard is an attempt to project a more mature image. I do not think we'll see him doing cos-play, trick-or-treating, yoga, Bollywood style dance numbers, super-hero costumes with Catherine McKenna, Star Wars socks, "peoplekind", or any of the other fun-loving shenanigans we saw in his earlier years as PM.  I think at most we might see him wear a cowboy hat and jeans if he goes to the Stampede.

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I think you made my point for me. 

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« Reply #132 on: February 01, 2020, 10:29:14 pm »
Trudeau suffered from a lot of the same things Obama did.  Expectations were far too high, and that's partly his own fault.  Arguably, his government has been largely successful, certainly no less so than the last one.  I've seen a lot recently about how Trudeau has grown up since the election.  The truth is simply that the media narrative has shifted.  He looks no different to me than he did before the election or for the last 2 - 3 years.

Are you saying the media is the reason a lot of people don't like him?
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« Reply #133 on: February 01, 2020, 11:18:48 pm »
Are you saying the media is the reason a lot of people don't like him?

If it helps, I’d also argue that the media was the reason a lot of people didn’t like Scheer, and that Scheer had to resign.  The media does a lot of narrative creation now in their attempt to stay relevant.  The more drama the better. Trudeau was popular for the reasons he later because controversial.  People liked that he was different and that’s why he swept to power in a swell of support.  Those same virtues became his downfalls.  That he survived it is so what of a miracle, especially when you consider the role of Russian and alt right troll bots in our modern social media existence. 

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Re: Andrew Sheer Resigns
« Reply #134 on: February 01, 2020, 11:36:26 pm »
It’s not that I’m in love with Justin Trudeau - it’s that I see the attacks on him as more of the attacks on the social order that got us Trump.  I’ll push back against that as hard as I can.
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