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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: An activist PM and government
« Reply #210 on: February 17, 2018, 12:13:31 pm »
Oh yah? Who is more powerful, Superman or the Martian Manhunter?

Uh, nice try genius: that's entrapment.

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« Reply #211 on: February 17, 2018, 12:17:47 pm »
How would you know?  Isn't that the issue with the case at hand?

And I do have some trouble believing that completely.

The point is you engage in subjective speculation with zero proof of any bigotry or bias. Get back to me when you have something
other than a projection of your subjective assumption.

Also if you make me defend and agree with Omni again I shall be peeved. I prefer defending you. Seriously, the automatic assumption the jury has to be aboriginal or have some
aboriginals to have been fair is simplistic. The issues a jury can and can not consider are screened by the trial Judge. You underestimate how a trial Judge controls what the jury
discusses and how they act as a failsafe to keep juries focused on the actual issues.

I can tell you the issue was not about race as much as leftists would like you to believe it was. They are playing the race card. The decision probably would have been no different had the person
been killed been white. Why? Because the Crown must show beyond reasonable doubt the homeowner had the criminal intent to kill someone. What you and others do not understand is
the fact that the homeowner may not have intended to kill someone with his gun does not mean he is innocent of other charges regarding use of a firearm.

I think what has happened is some people and I hope not you wanted a Frankenstein to burn. Humans lust blood. When they see blood they want more and want juries to act as surrogate
lynch mobs for them. Its not what juries do or are intended to do. They are to act in a manner removed from screaming with pitchforks and looking for a Frankenstein to burn on fire.

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Re: An activist PM and government
« Reply #212 on: February 17, 2018, 12:18:32 pm »
Uh, nice try genius: that's entrapment.

[Edited to add: This is a joke.  Dry humour.  I respect all of you.  Leave me alone.]

2 good ones. Say what you want I love your humour.
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« Reply #213 on: February 17, 2018, 12:23:10 pm »
Oh yah? Who is more powerful, Superman or the Martian Manhunter?

Well, as I'm not under oath, I can confidently assert that I've never heard of the Martian Manhunter.


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Re: An activist PM and government
« Reply #214 on: February 17, 2018, 01:39:30 pm »
If someone told you that a black man accused of a crime needs to have a jury consisting of other black men because they're the only ones who can relate to the circumstances of racial profiling and discrimination and prejudice, you'd probably tell them they were full of ****.

You're entitled to a jury of your peers. You're not entitled to a sympathetic jury.

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Yet it’s illegal to discriminate against jurors based on race in the US. It’s not in Canada.

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« Reply #215 on: February 17, 2018, 02:59:12 pm »
You're entitled to a jury of your peers. You're not entitled to a sympathetic jury.

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The purpose of a jury of your peers is to have people judging you who live under the same circumstances as you do. Otherwise what IS the purpose?

And what IS the inference anyway? White people won't concvict white people? The evidence for this seems lacking. Farmers won't convict farmers? No evidence of this either.

This whole bullshit brouhha wouldn't exist if the guy who'd been shot was white.

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« Reply #216 on: February 17, 2018, 03:05:20 pm »
The purpose of a jury of your peers is to have people judging you who live under the same circumstances as you do. Otherwise what IS the purpose?

And what IS the inference anyway? White people won't concvict white people? The evidence for this seems lacking. Farmers won't convict farmers? No evidence of this either.

This whole bullshit brouhha wouldn't exist if the guy who'd been shot was white.

Oh I could quite easily see that if it had of been a white guy shot and half the jury was non white you'd be pointing fingers vigorously.

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« Reply #217 on: February 17, 2018, 03:20:37 pm »
The purpose of a jury of your peers is to have people judging you who live under the same circumstances as you do. Otherwise what IS the purpose?

So I assume you are clearly saying that almost 100% of all native Canadians that have stood trial have been improperly judged and all that were found guilty need restitution for the obviously flawed judicial system in Canada.

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« Reply #218 on: February 17, 2018, 03:27:17 pm »
So I assume you are clearly saying that almost 100% of all native Canadians that have stood trial have been improperly judged and all that were found guilty need restitution for the obviously flawed judicial system in Canada.

apparently he's never been near a reserve.

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« Reply #219 on: February 17, 2018, 03:34:26 pm »
So I assume you are clearly saying that almost 100% of all native Canadians that have stood trial have been improperly judged and all that were found guilty need restitution for the obviously flawed judicial system in Canada.

I'm not saying you need to be judged by people of the same race. But generally it's considered to mean the same general area.
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« Reply #220 on: February 17, 2018, 03:34:53 pm »
Oh I could quite easily see that if it had of been a white guy shot and half the jury was non white you'd be pointing fingers vigorously.

I'm not as racist as you are.
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« Reply #221 on: February 17, 2018, 03:37:26 pm »
I'm not saying you need to be judged by people of the same race. But generally it's considered to mean the same general area.

You said who live under the same circumstances as you do, that is very different that same general area.
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« Reply #222 on: February 18, 2018, 11:55:55 am »
You said who live under the same circumstances as you do, that is very different that same general area.

What I meant was anyone living in that area would be familiar with the problems of obtaining assistance and protection from police or others. It would be a fact of life they'd always lived with. They would also likely be a lot more comfortable with guns and gun ownership than urban dwellers since guns are a fairly normal tool in rural area and a lot more people hunt. Most urban dwellers have likely never even seen one and probably don't even know anyone who had one.  Guns have a different, for want of a better term, mystique there.
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« Reply #223 on: February 18, 2018, 01:17:51 pm »
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n. an equal. A "jury of one's peers," to which criminal defendants are constitutionally entitled, means an impartial group of citizens from the judicial district (e.g. county) in which the defendant lives. It does not mean a jury ethnically, educationally, economically, or sexually the same as the defendant, although, in some jurisdictions attempts are made to meet those criteria.

This the US definition and I doubt ours is much different because it makes sense. The key word is impartial. Should a jury deliberating over a street person charged with theft be composed entirely of other street people? I don't think so.
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« Reply #224 on: February 18, 2018, 11:41:48 pm »
Perhaps this case should bring us to consider the possibility of overhauling our jury selection process, specifically the objection issue. Objections for cause are pretty much straight forward however peremptory objections can be, or certainly can appear to be discriminatory, to wit, all natives that came before the defense council were dismissed. A lawyer can use a peremptory simply because of their instinct, but there should be way to ensure it's not done based on race. Jurors should be selected based on their apparent ability to be willing and capable of listening to, and then basing their opinion of the evidence provided, which may take possibly weeks to  hear. And maybe we should up the pay rate. I know I would do everything I could do to get dismissed if I was looking at a few weeks of 40 bucks a day.