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« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2018, 09:31:00 pm »
Eventually both sides would exhaust their allotments and they would get whoever is in the pool.

The problem is the allotments for peremptory challenges. If we had only challenge for cause, or an extremely limited number of peremptory challenges (ie. one) then we might not be in this mess always. The exact same thing occurs when it is a native Canadian on trial and the crown makes peremptory challenges (based on race).

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« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2018, 09:31:02 pm »
You don't need a lot of peremptory challenges to get rid of any indigineous people when you have such a less than diverse jury pool to choose from.

Especially when the natives don't show up for jury duty to begin with, from what everyone I've heard from is saying.
Hey, by the way, it's a jury of your peers, not a jury of the alleged victim's peers.
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« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2018, 09:32:42 pm »
And that is something I would expect you to say.  Such is life.

I'm a law and order conservative. I have little sympathy for criminals of whatever race or ethnicity. Bouchi and his drunken pals went around robbing farmers and he got shot. I would feel not one iota more sympathy if they were all drunken blonde Swedes.
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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2018, 09:33:47 pm »
Especially when the natives don't show up for jury duty to begin with, from what everyone I've heard from is saying.
Hey, by the way, it's a jury of your peers, not a jury of the alleged victim's peers.

“Everybody says”....   please provide a cite for this claim.

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« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2018, 09:34:27 pm »
by the way, it's a jury of your peers, not a jury of the alleged victim's peers.

That is an Americanism, but you also failed to grasp what I pointed out above, it also works against Native Canadians when they are the accused and the crown makes the peremptory challenges.

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« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2018, 09:35:04 pm »
TimG - that’s another  topic.

I think its part of the same topic. The progressives like Trudeau are up in arms about this but how much do they even know about the details? The TV coverage I've seen has been long on protesting natives talking about racism, and expressions of sympathy from political ****, and very, very short on details about why the jury returned the verdict they did. Do you think Trudeau read throught the court transcripts or something? He just watched TV.
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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2018, 09:35:44 pm »
This is the same bullshit claim made by the BLM crowd. "Hey, just because we commit WAY more crime and WAY more violent crime, like WAY out of proportion to our numbers in the general population, that's no reason why we should be going to jail all the time!"

It's not like they're marginalized within society, directly contributing to all of that, or anything.

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« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2018, 09:37:08 pm »
That is an Americanism, but you also failed to grasp what I pointed out above, it also works against Native Canadians when they are the accused and the crown makes the peremptory challenges.

It's not an Americanism its a Britishism that dates back to the Magna Carta. It comes from Common law, where both American and Canadian law originates.

And the whole idea of the peremptory challenges is to weed out people who might be racist or biased against or in favour of the accused.
Reading up a bit on this, there were originally 35 such challenges allowed in Britain, but the number was lowered over the years to a handful and has now been abolished there. They've gone back to 'you gets what you gets', or a random sampling of the population.
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« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2018, 09:40:38 pm »
Do you think Trudeau read throught the court transcripts or something?

Since he didn't comment on the specifics of the case, that would be irrelevant.  in fact 30% of his statement was making that clear; the 30% that the right wing pundits ignore when they quote him.

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« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2018, 09:40:46 pm »
It's not like they're marginalized within society, directly contributing to all of that, or anything.

There are whole books you can write about the reasons behind the cultural value problems in both communities, but that's not relevant to the reality the justice system faces. If you want to address native crime you have to address the problems of native cultural degeneration which is caused by the Indian Act and the reservation system. If you stick people out in the boonies with nothing to do they're going to get into trouble. Without any purpose in life they're going to drink, do drugs and fight.
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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2018, 09:41:10 pm »
This is the same bullshit claim made by the BLM crowd. "Hey, just because we commit WAY more crime and WAY more violent crime, like WAY out of proportion to our numbers in the general population, that's no reason why we should be going to jail all the time!"

Mind, I'm perfectly willing to adjust the sentences to house native or black gangmembers and  killers in the houses of social justice warriors and their families.

Who are you actually quoting or is just more of your racist bullshit, and do you have a cite to prove this "WAY out of proportion" comment?

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« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2018, 09:41:31 pm »
Since he didn't comment on the specifics of the case, that would be irrelevant.  in fact 30% of his statement was making that clear; the 30% that the right wing pundits ignore when they quote him.

Even though, of course, he WAS in fact, commenting on the case. Otherwise his words make absolutely no sense.
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« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2018, 09:41:55 pm »
Who are you actually quoting or is just more of your racist bullshit, and do you have a cite to prove this "WAY out of proportion" comment?

You really are a pathetic moron.
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« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2018, 09:44:25 pm »
There are whole books you can write about the reasons behind the cultural value problems in both communities, but that's not relevant to the reality the justice system faces.

Of course it's relevant.