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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #315 on: March 29, 2020, 04:10:24 pm »
Government + shutdown - everybody went home.

It was silent except for the military airplanes.
I don't remember how many days, but the air cleared, was fresh.

There was no shutdown, other than in NY city.

Planes only stopped flying for a short time.  There is no way you noticed any effect unless you lived right beside an airport.  And the air would not have been any noticeably cleaner.
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Offline Granny

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« Reply #316 on: March 30, 2020, 12:39:10 pm »
There was no shutdown, other than in NY city.

Planes only stopped flying for a short time.  There is no way you noticed any effect unless you lived right beside an airport.  And the air would not have been any noticeably cleaner.

It wasn't the airplanes.

It was the lack of cars. Pardon my lack of clarity.
All government and most banking & corporate offices in downtown Toronto closed after 9/11.
The downtown core was eerily quiet, almost free of cars, and the air was much clearer than usual.
I lived there.

I didn't mean to derail the thread, but the similarity to conditions now just struck me.

I think we're in for a longer haul now, though.
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Offline Granny

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« Reply #317 on: April 13, 2020, 08:05:55 am »
THIS is what I've been waiting for!

https://youtu.be/saoyArcz3zE


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« Reply #318 on: April 13, 2020, 11:55:46 am »
THIS is what I've been waiting for!

2015 video - why did you wait so long?  ;D
ok, ok... that company went by the way in 2017 (as in amalgamated into... typical/standard distribution). Perhaps try a googly for alternatives - don't wait any more!
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« Reply #319 on: April 13, 2020, 11:09:46 pm »
2015 video - why did you wait so long?  ;D
ok, ok... that company went by the way in 2017 (as in amalgamated into... typical/standard distribution). Perhaps try a googly for alternatives - don't wait any more!

Ya ... nah ... Maybe just a baby backup ... lol

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« Reply #320 on: April 14, 2020, 10:27:22 am »
Now is the time to tax the crap out of it and put the proceeds towards subsidies for renewables.
Probably the dumbest idea ever.  Taxing the “crap” out of them will not result in the complete collapse of the industry.  Resulting in massive job loss, no proceeds to use as subsidies, and a huge increase in oil imports to make up for the loss of production.  Literally the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard.
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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #321 on: April 14, 2020, 11:40:01 am »
Probably the dumbest idea ever.  Taxing the “crap” out of them will not result in the complete collapse of the industry.  Resulting in massive job loss, no proceeds to use as subsidies, and a huge increase in oil imports to make up for the loss of production.  Literally the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard.

Yeah....  i meant tax them out of business.  That’s it.   ::)
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« Reply #322 on: April 18, 2020, 03:41:36 pm »
Yeah....  i meant tax them out of business.  That’s it.   ::)

It isn't really necessary to take any action at all, except reducing the subsidies for oil and gas production.
Without subsidy money propping up oil profits, renewable energy becomes more profitable.
Investors go where the profits are and we have a fast rollout of renewable energy.

We just have to set the energy market free.

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« Reply #323 on: April 19, 2020, 12:49:18 pm »


We just have to set the energy market free.

You’re talking nonsense Granny.   We need government intervention to ensure that there are the incentives for green energy and the disincentives for dirty energy.  Phasing out of internal combustion engines and forcing all vehicles to be zero emissions by a certain date is not “setting the energy market free”.  It’s just the opposite. 
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« Reply #324 on: April 20, 2020, 03:16:46 pm »
I guess a much better way to destroy the Oil Market is to force everyone to stay home because of Global Pandemic.


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« Reply #325 on: April 20, 2020, 03:39:23 pm »
You’re talking nonsense Granny.   We need government intervention to ensure that there are the incentives for green energy and the disincentives for dirty energy.  Phasing out of internal combustion engines and forcing all vehicles to be zero emissions by a certain date is not “setting the energy market free”.  It’s just the opposite.

Our governments will be running monster deficits this year and probably next year as well. There will be no money for incentives or appetite to suppress the economy further with added taxes. Business is on life support so don't expect money from there either. If anything, this pandemic will slow the transition to cleaner energy sources.
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Re: Addressing climate change
« Reply #326 on: April 20, 2020, 03:44:57 pm »
I'm not an economist so this negative oil price thing is new to me but my gas gauge is down to a quarter tank so I'm expecting a nice surprise when I get to the pumps.

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« Reply #327 on: April 20, 2020, 03:59:39 pm »
Our governments will be running monster deficits this year and probably next year as well. There will be no money for incentives or appetite to suppress the economy further with added taxes. Business is on life support so don't expect money from there either. If anything, this pandemic will slow the transition to cleaner energy sources.

You don’t have a clue what will happen coming out of this.  If oil proces stay depressed, it’s probably the perfect time to switch to renewables as there will be much less investment into the industry.  This was already happening prior to this.

There will certainly be added taxes to those who can afford it.  There is probably no other option, if we want better preparation for this the next time with respect to PPE, medical equipment and all the other shortfalls that have been talked about.  As well as dealing with the coming deficit and/or depression. 

If you’re making 80+ grand a year, maybe you’ll have to make do with 1 car in the future and a more modest house.  Not the end of the world.
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« Reply #328 on: April 20, 2020, 04:21:41 pm »
I guess a much better way to destroy the Oil Market is to force everyone to stay home because of Global Pandemic.

I wonder if the  origin of this virus is actually Elizabeth May?
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« Reply #329 on: April 20, 2020, 04:38:16 pm »
I guess a much better way to destroy the Oil Market is to force everyone to stay home because of Global Pandemic.

it's boggling to realize KindDealmakerTrump's intervention with OPEC didn't manage pricing/supply!  ;D

member Boges, take solace from those claiming hay-SOOS is the Vaccine, or from those Trump patriots whining about needing a haircut... they certainly don't accept being, as you say, forced!


in any case, the waldo ponders if this market reality is a forerunner to what to expect with 2030-2050's ever decreasing reliance on fossil-fuel...